CushionTrack: "We'll fix or replace SA surface"

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a bad attitude to put yourself ahead of the horseplayers if you work on the backstretch.

I have a bad attitude? Whatever........the horseman are who are suffering thru this demise , the track still plays fast , a handicapper can still use speed in his fugures . I work for a trainer , not a gambler , my concern is with preparing the horses for the races so people can come and do what they do.
The owners that employ my boss are very wealthy and even when they dont win races for long stretches at a time they still have plenty of money to spend , you think B. Wayne Hughes needs purse money to stay in the game ? think again , he doesnt. I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport , but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it .

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

I have a bad attitude? Whatever........the horseman are who are suffering thru this demise , the track still plays fast , a handicapper can still use speed in his fugures . I work for a trainer , not a gambler , my concern is with preparing the horses for the races so people can come and do what they do.
The owners that employ my boss are very wealthy and even when they dont win races for long stretches at a time they still have plenty of money to spend , you think B. Wayne Hughes needs purse money to stay in the game ? think again , he doesnt. I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport , but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it .

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

No, a great deal of them have the $2 coming back to their pocket which comes from....of yeah, the gamblers...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

I dont disregard you , but you are not who Im thinking about when Im preparing a horse for a race Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. Im not thinking about you when we have to train on the training track for a week , Im sorry , you just dont cross my mind , I understand the big picture but I still and always will put the horses before you , its just the way it is.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

I dont disregard you , but you are not who Im thinking about when Im preparing a horse for a race Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. Im not thinking about you when we have to train on the training track for a week , Im sorry , you just dont cross my mind , I understand the big picture but I still and always will put the horses before you , its just the way it is.

I'm not thinking about you either....but I pay you.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not thinking about you either....but I pay you.

You dont , Im a salary employee , if we dont win a race for 6 months I still make the same amount , you dont pay me.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

You have left another player out of the equation.
The owner to help put on the show. The vast majority of
which lose money. So I guess the WE also takes into account
the owners.
So the picture is a little bigger.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

I would like to go on record...I am NOT Honu

[alysheba4]

the good news is i just saved money on my car insurance...........

[SniperSB23]

Any track where In Summation can beat Idiot Proof is certainly nothing like dirt.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Any track where In Summation can beat Idiot Proof is certainly nothing like dirt.

what is the excuse for Idiot Proof getting beat by Barbeque Eddie? I don't think its the surface because he beat Barbeque Eddie on the same surface in the Ancient Title.

[Rootdog1]

Agreed...Idiot Proof is a paper tiger.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what is the excuse for Idiot Proof getting beat by Barbeque Eddie? I don't think its the surface because he beat Barbeque Eddie on the same surface in the Ancient Title.

There is no doubt that Idiot Proof isn't the same horse on the synthetics that he is on the dirt and that horses like In Summation who busted out on the dirt and had to go the turf are now moving up big time cause of the synthetic surfaces. You aren't going to tell me a horse that just ran 2nd in the BC Sprint as a 3yo should be losing to the likes of In Summation and Barbeque Eddie on a surface that is a dirt replacement, are you?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Fortunately for her.

Merry Christmas FFACE

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

Look at history dude , they were racing horses well before the public was betting on them and somehow they hired people to ride them and take care of them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Look at history dude , they were racing horses well before the public was betting on them and somehow they hired people to ride them and take care of them.

You're kidding....right?

How many owners like there were in those days are still involved in the game?

How many races take place on the estates of the super wealthy?

You can't honestly be this out of touch.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding....right?

How many owners like there were in those days are still involved in the game?

How many races take place on the estates of the super wealthy?

You can't honestly be this out of touch.

Im not out of touch , jus stating a fact , racing wasnt born out of gamblers , gamblers were born out of racing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im not out of touch , jus stating a fact , racing wasnt born out of gamblers , gamblers were born out of racing.

And now we support it. Using history in this situation doesn't work.