And latest Barbaro update

#1 07-26-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Maybe I didnt make my point clear. When the casual public watches the Derby, Preakness, Belmont and Breeders Cup and see a horse break down and then the horse is put down, they will be saying--you saved Barbaro but not this horse? They will not accept the answer of MONEY as acceptable.

No they won't. The casual public watches for 2 minutes and then turns the channel. They don't understand types of injuries or anything like that. What are the odds of that happening anyway? This is 2006, people understand that money runs everything.

GenuineRisk · #2 07-26-2006, 02:33 PM

The type of injury may still play a factor-- one of the few things that went in Barbaro's favor is that the skin wasn't broken in the initial accident. In a case like Ruffian's, by the time Vasquez got her pulled up she'd nearly torn the foot off.

I would guess any time it's a Classics winner, they'll do their best to save him (her). A Classics also-ran-- well, I guess that will be up to the owner.

And a lot of this will still hinge on whether Barbaro makes it. If he (God forbid) doesn't pull through, I wouldn't be surprised to see people yell that he should have been put out of his misery right away.

And how long before I move off of "Bowie?"

dr. fager · #3 07-26-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The type of injury may still play a factor-- one of the few things that went in Barbaro's favor is that the skin wasn't broken in the initial accident. In a case like Ruffian's, by the time Vasquez got her pulled up she'd nearly torn the foot off.

I thought I heard her injury was less severe. They tried to save her, but she reinjured herself coming out anesthesia.

GenuineRisk · #4 07-26-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dr.fager

I thought I heard her injury was less severe. They tried to save her, but she reinjured herself coming out anesthesia.

If you read the account of it in Jane Schwartz's book, it's pretty gruesome. Barbaro let himself get pulled up right away, but Ruffian fought Vasquez when he tried to pull her up and kept running on that broken ankle. She did also undo all the work they did when she came out of anesthesia, you are still right about that.

And an article I read said they've made some advances since then-- they now try to wait to do surgery so the adreneleine from the race is out of the system and they bring the horse out of anesthesia in a standing position so it doesn't panic- but it seems to me her injury was still very severe even by today's standards.

dr. fager · #5 07-26-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

If you read the account of it in Jane Schwartz's book, it's pretty gruesome. Barbaro let himself get pulled up right away, but Ruffian fought Vasquez when he tried to pull her up and kept running on that broken ankle. She did also undo all the work they did when she came out of anesthesia, you are still right about that.

And an article I read said they've made some advances since then-- they now try to wait to do surgery so the adreneleine from the race is out of the system and they bring the horse out of anesthesia in a standing position so it doesn't panic- but it seems to me her injury was still very severe even by today's standards.

I've seen the video unfortunately, I just took as you saying it broke the skin...and I don't recall that.

GenuineRisk · #6 07-26-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dr.fager

I've seen the video unfortunately, I just took as you saying it broke the skin...and I don't recall that.

I've seen the video, too-- and you're right; it's awful. I think from that distance, it's hard to see, but I just googled Ruffian and here's one of the accounts saying she did keep running and got sand and dirt in the wound:

http://ap.lancasteronline.com/4/rac_...ous_breakdowns

It's a really sad article, but it ends with Holy Bull and Charismatic, for a (slightly) uplifting ending. And it's fair in that it points out thoroughbreds break legs in all kinds of situations, not just on the track.

dr. fager · #7 07-26-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I've seen the video, too-- and you're right; it's awful. I think from that distance, it's hard to see, but I just googled Ruffian and here's one of the accounts saying she did keep running and got sand and dirt in the wound:

http://ap.lancasteronline.com/4/rac_...ous_breakdowns

It's a really sad article, but it ends with Holy Bull and Charismatic, for a (slightly) uplifting ending. And it's fair in that it points out thoroughbreds break legs in all kinds of situations, not just on the track.

Tough read indeed....part of the sport and part of their existence, my family has come home to a mare in the field...just like they cite...that's what the public doesn't understand.

#8 07-26-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

If you read the account of it in Jane Schwartz's book, it's pretty gruesome. Barbaro let himself get pulled up right away, but Ruffian fought Vasquez when he tried to pull her up and kept running on that broken ankle. She did also undo all the work they did when she came out of anesthesia, you are still right about that.

And an article I read said they've made some advances since then-- they now try to wait to do surgery so the adreneleine from the race is out of the system and they bring the horse out of anesthesia in a standing position so it doesn't panic- but it seems to me her injury was still very severe even by today's standards.

Barbaro appears to be an extremely bright horse. He does everything right. He even sits like a dog to take pressure off his legs. Not too many are that smart.

#9 07-26-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

No they won't. The casual public watches for 2 minutes and then turns the channel. They don't understand types of injuries or anything like that. What are the odds of that happening anyway? This is 2006, people understand that money runs everything.

Bold you made my point for me. The casual fan doesnt understand horse inuries. That is why they will say--well you saved Barbaro, why not this horse.

#10 07-26-2006, 03:45 PM

and at the same time ... the horse slaughter issue is in the public eye!!!

Cajungator26 · #11 07-26-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

and at the same time ... the horse slaughter issue is in the public eye!!!

Thank heavens for that...

I can't wait for the day when horses are no longer slaughtered.

#12 07-26-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Bold you made my point for me. The casual fan doesnt understand horse inuries. That is why they will say--well you saved Barbaro, why not this horse.

No, I am just saying they won't even care one way or another. The race is over and then they will tune in maybe for next years KD.

If you look at Horatio Nelson, in a country where people are much more passionate about racing, they just said it was terrible and moved on. That is the way the world is.

31lengths · #13 07-26-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

No they won't. The casual public watches for 2 minutes and then turns the channel. They don't understand types of injuries or anything like that. What are the odds of that happening anyway? This is 2006, people understand that money runs everything.

Bold...that WAS true before Barbaro....now I get all of my friends and aquaintances asking me, albiet every once in a while , how Barbaro is doing.
Most of them realize that this is somewhat unusual that that money is probably the reason that he's still with us.
But my point is NBC kept their cameras on him SO LONG that the casual watcher is now aware of the sport's casualties/injuries. Some of my friends refuse to watch now but like I said, my friends who dont watch often want to know what has become of him.

#14 07-26-2006, 05:27 PM

It was terrible... your right the camera's stayed on him for toooo long... JJ told them to get the camera off him... then again at the barn they were trying to get pics.. JJ and me got security to bring screens and we held them with the guards... they don't realize (or care to I guess) the negative impact...

Downthestretch55 · #15 07-26-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

It was terrible... your right the camera's stayed on him for toooo long... JJ told them to get the camera off him... then again at the barn they were trying to get pics.. JJ and me got security to bring screens and we held them with the guards... they don't realize (or care to I guess) the negative impact...

Samm,
I'm totally with you.
Unfortunately, tragedy and gore sells...sad but true. How many times did we see Princess Diana's car? How many times did we see a replay of a NASCAR crash that claimed a human life?
MY hopes and prayers are with Barbaro. Thanks for your efforts to spare us the horrid sight. There certainly have been more than enough replays of Prado pulling him up as quickly as he could.
DTS

GenuineRisk · #16 07-26-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Samm,
I'm totally with you.
Unfortunately, tragedy and gore sells...sad but true. How many times did we see Princess Diana's car? How many times did we see a replay of a NASCAR crash that claimed a human life?
MY hopes and prayers are with Barbaro. Thanks for your efforts to spare us the horrid sight. There certainly have been more than enough replays of Prado pulling him up as quickly as he could.
DTS

I'm sorry you had to deal with that, too, Samm. It does seem like the media can be the biggest rubberneckers when tragedy hits, doesn't it? But I guess if people didn't watch it, they wouldn't show it. Vicious cycle.

31lengths · #17 07-26-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

It was terrible... your right the camera's stayed on him for toooo long... JJ told them to get the camera off him... then again at the barn they were trying to get pics.. JJ and me got security to bring screens and we held them with the guards... they don't realize (or care to I guess) the negative impact...

As soon as the broadcast was over and the shock wore off....i sat in horror...
disgusted with myself. I remember telling a lady at work who has 2 young teen girls and a 6 year old boy who LOVES sports to watch the race....they just may be seeing history. I know her girls liked horses a little but the boy was looking forward to the race. I actually got a lot of people watching races over the last 3 years. I know its not my fault but I was horified.