Rags!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Is she the greatest of all time? Can't say yes or no to that, but I can say she was the greatest today.

Look, I said she'd win the Kentucky Oaks after I saw her break her maiden earlier in the year--and was very under the radar.

I argued with a few people here, mainly MisterB, that she absolutley belonged in the race...

She basically ran her race today.....and her race was good enough to beat Curlin and Hard Spun at 12 furlongs.

Does that make her an all-time great filly? You obviously BADLY misunderstood the point I made about her figures---as the point flattered her.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look, I said she'd win the Kentucky Oaks after I saw her break her maiden earlier in the year--and was very under the radar.

I argued with a few people here, mainly MisterB, that she absolutley belonged in the race...

She basically ran her race today.....and her race was good enough to beat Curlin and Hard Spun at 12 furlongs.

Does that make her an all-time great filly? You obviously BADLY misunderstood the point I made about her figures---as the point flattered her.

I'm certainly not willing to compare her to Ruffian or the greatest ever, Kincsem but she certainly has shown almost unlimited potential...we'll see how she does against older and then comparisons may or may not be appropriate!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm certainly not willing to compare her to Ruffian or the greatest ever, Kincsem but she certainly has shown almost unlimited potential...we'll see how she does against older and then comparisons may or may not be appropriate!

enough with the Kincsem please.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

enough with the Kincsem please.

Why? She's the standard by which I judge all fillies and mares, you can agree or disagree but my opinion is as valid as your's!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Why? She's the standard by which I judge all fillies and mares, you can agree or disagree but my opinion is as valid as your's!

How in the world can you compare a Hungarian filly who raced in the 1800's to modern horses? It is not an opinion thing but a relevance thing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How in the world can you compare a Hungarian filly who raced in the 1800's to modern horses? It is not an opinion thing but a relevance thing.

No doubt about it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How in the world can you compare a Hungarian filly who raced in the 1800's to modern horses? It is not an opinion thing but a relevance thing.

Obviously we disagree...!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Obviously we disagree...!

Ever see her run? Ever see a chart of one of her races? Ever talk to someone that saw her in person? It is like comparing real things to a ghost.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm certainly not willing to compare her to Ruffian or the greatest ever, Kincsem but she certainly has shown almost unlimited potential...we'll see how she does against older and then comparisons may or may not be appropriate!

I've seen some spectacular fillies.....she's every bit as dominant as any of them have been in their own division...but there is nothing else in her own division (as an example, wide trip Cotton Blossom chugged home in the Acorn today) --- and, we all know that there are only three real good males in the 3-year-old crop...

They being Curlin, Street Sense, and Hard Spun --- one of them didn't show up for the race today, the other has VERY suspect breeding for 12 furlongs and has done a lot in a short amount of time, the other consistantly runs "fast early-slow late" race shapes...and was suspect at this distance because of that.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Rags To Riches performance....but, I've seen some really outstanding fillies before...and she still needs to develop and improve to reach their level.

People also shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the 12 furlong distance of the Belmont was totally to her benefit. Is she an all-time great filly at a 12 furlong distance? I don't know....but, at that distance anyway, she's probably as good as any I've ever seen.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've seen some spectacular fillies.....she's every bit as dominant as any of them have been in their own division...but there is nothing else in her own division (as an example, wide trip Cotton Blossom chugged home in the Acorn today) --- and, we all know that there are only three real good males in the 3-year-old crop...

They being Curlin, Street Sense, and Hard Spun --- one of them didn't show up for the race today, the other has VERY suspect breeding for 12 furlongs and has done a lot in a short amount of time, the other consistantly runs "fast early-slow late" race shapes...and was suspect at this distance because of that.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Rags To Riches performance....but, I've seen some really outstanding fillies before...and she still needs to develop and improve to reach their level.

People also shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the 12 furlong distance of the Belmont was totally to her benefit. Is she an all-time great filly at a 12 furlong distance? I don't know....but, at that distance anyway, she's probably as good as any I've ever seen.

I agree, just saying she appears to have that kind of potential, only time will determine whether she realizes it!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree, just saying she appears to have that kind of potential, only time will determine whether she realizes it!

A lot of the very good fillies I've seen through the years have never had the chance to run against males--in the type of race that was totally to their benefit.

If anyone remembers back to 1992, a 3-year-old filly named Jolypha came over from Europe...she ran 3rd in the Breeders Cup Classic in her dirt debut, losing to only A. P. Indy (R2R's sire) and Pleasant Tap (Tiago's sire)

I just hope that people don't lose sight of the fact that Rags to Riches was much better suited for a race like the Belmont....than her other main rivals in there. Pletcher would have been a fool to not run her....and to his credit, he's no fool.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A lot of the very good fillies I've seen through the years have never had the chance to run against males--in the type of race that was totally to their benefit.

If anyone remembers back to 1992, a 3-year-old filly named Jolypha came over from Europe...she ran 3rd in the Breeders Cup Classic in her dirt debut, losing to only A. P. Indy (R2R's sire) and Pleasant Tap (Tiago's sire)

I just hope that people don't lose sight of the fact that Rags to Riches was much better suited for a race like the Belmont....than her other main rivals in there. Pletcher would have been a fool to not run her....and to his credit, he's no fool.

yeah, i remember jolypha. need more like her!