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Old 06-27-2006, 09:46 AM
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It is kind of stupid to think a guy like Asmussen would do something illegal to win a 75 claimer when he is constantly competing in huge graded stakes, especially at Saratoga with his babies. It would really stink not having this guy around for the meet up here, I like him. Hes very nice to me in the mornings when I ask my stupid questions. I was a big fan of Lady Tak.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:51 AM
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Horse racing has gotten as bad as baseball. They might as well just legalize all these drugs. They have ruined the breed with all these drugs anyway. Top horses need months between races now when they used to race every two weeks. I am convinced these guys running the testing programs get paid off by trainers and when the trainers stop paying the tests start coming up positive.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:57 AM
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Horse racing has gotten as bad as baseball. They might as well just legalize all these drugs. They have ruined the breed with all these drugs anyway. Top horses need months between races now when they used to race every two weeks. I am convinced these guys running the testing programs get paid off by trainers and when the trainers stop paying the tests start coming up positive.
Ruler that may have been the craziest thing you ever wrote. You really are talking trash here. Lemme ask you something ok? WHen you go to the dentist to have work done do you refuse novaCAINE(same family)? When you had stitches did you refuse the shot the Dr, gave you before he sticthed you up? Thats all this is. I'd think as smart as you are in real life terms(but not horses yet) that you would see beyond the hype and actually think about this. So we have horses getting cuts stitched up and thats juicing? Please.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:12 AM
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I think it makes perfect sense to cheat in a low level claiming race. Get the horse juiced up to win a $7500 claiming race--next time out run the horse in a $12500 claiming race and hope the horse gets claimed. Low leveling claiming races are perfect for cheats. But I do not think that Pletcher, Dutrow or Asmussen cheated.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:14 AM
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I think it makes perfect sense to cheat in a low level claiming race. Get the horse juiced up to win a $7500 claiming race--next time out run the horse in a $12500 claiming race and hope the horse gets claimed. Low leveling claiming races are perfect for cheats. But I do not think that Pletcher, Dutrow or Asmussen cheated.
Exactly Euro. Those guys arent sweating those kind of horses, they'd like to lose them.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:16 AM
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Exactly Euro. Those guys arent sweating those kind of horses, they'd like to lose them.
Most of the time these big time trainers are training these low level horses as a favor. They could care less if they win. They just want to get rid of them and go work on the Flower Alley's of the world.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:54 AM
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It is kind of stupid to think a guy like Asmussen would do something illegal to win a 75 claimer when he is constantly competing in huge graded stakes, especially at Saratoga with his babies. It would really stink not having this guy around for the meet up here, I like him. Hes very nice to me in the mornings when I ask my stupid questions. I was a big fan of Lady Tak.
Tim if you knew Todd you would say the same thing. I can assure you that he isn't just "smart" in terms of the racing game, hes just plain real smart period. No way would he jeopardize his reputation and income so he could win that 75 claimer. The owner of the 75 claimer was Coolmore. You telling me that Coolmore was sweating winning that race? Give me a break. Dutrow is his own worst enemy because of his attitude and demeanor at times. He is often referred to as a punk at the racetrack because he is ****y and hes not real good with the media because he tells it like it is and doesnt posture his responses to win favor. But he is really a brilliant guy and actually sensitive about how other trainers he respects feel about him.
These suspensions are a glaring example of whats wrong with testing and penalties these days. Its kinda like when Zito and Mott got suspensions for lidocaine(note that it was yet another caine family drug). Both trainers had horses with cracked feet and at the time the salve that most vets were using contained Lidocaine. So basically they treated cracked feet and got ten days. Shoot, all they did was take the salve that the vet gave them(vets dont come by every day to administer something so easy as that, groom rubs it on) and cut it off when the vet said to cut it off, and it lingered. Meanwhile someplace in America today a horse will improve ten lengths after being claimed last week and win off the screen and not test positive for anything. Great huh?
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:42 AM
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Tim if you knew Todd you would say the same thing. I can assure you that he isn't just "smart" in terms of the racing game, hes just plain real smart period. No way would he jeopardize his reputation and income so he could win that 75 claimer. The owner of the 75 claimer was Coolmore. You telling me that Coolmore was sweating winning that race? Give me a break. Dutrow is his own worst enemy because of his attitude and demeanor at times. He is often referred to as a punk at the racetrack because he is ****y and hes not real good with the media because he tells it like it is and doesnt posture his responses to win favor. But he is really a brilliant guy and actually sensitive about how other trainers he respects feel about him.
These suspensions are a glaring example of whats wrong with testing and penalties these days. Its kinda like when Zito and Mott got suspensions for lidocaine(note that it was yet another caine family drug). Both trainers had horses with cracked feet and at the time the salve that most vets were using contained Lidocaine. So basically they treated cracked feet and got ten days. Shoot, all they did was take the salve that the vet gave them(vets dont come by every day to administer something so easy as that, groom rubs it on) and cut it off when the vet said to cut it off, and it lingered. Meanwhile someplace in America today a horse will improve ten lengths after being claimed last week and win off the screen and not test positive for anything. Great huh?
Here's what I think. I think it's going to get worse, much worse.

There's a few dynamics that make me think so. First, drugs in any sport are a problem and with what's gone on in baseball; those running racing (and other sports) have a price to pay in terms of defending the PERCEPTION of their sports. Right or wrong, that's how it is and politicians and career bureaucrats who feast on this kind of "crisis" will do all they can to ensure their continued livelihood. Second, the stakes are higher and different with slot machines. These things generate so damn much revenue that there has to be comensurate "oversight." With the horseracing industry morphing into the slot machine/horse racing industry, there's more political capital at stake and with this comes, yes, more career bureaucrats making and applying uninformed policy that insults common sense and adversely affects racing's interests. I have so concrete numbers on this, but I'd bet my last dollar that slot machines at racetracks result in a direct and positive correlation of the percentage of state racing commission positions filled by "non-racing industry" people. Third, Spitzer. Other states will see more Spitzer-esque type of actions and decide to make "bold" statements with impunity. Too bad all of us are not able to do our own jobs so recklessly.

I think it's fair and reasonable to have and apply the "absolute guarantor" responsibility rule to trainers, notwithstanding the fact that they may have hundreds of horses under their supervision. After all, a trainer with that wide and deep an operation has obviously made the decision to work that way. But 45 days for Pletcher and 180 days for Assmussen? That's ridiculous. Whatever happened to 10 day or 14 day suspensions?

Think it's bad now? Just wait until they get close to putting slot machines in the NYRA tracks and the politicians see how much more revenue will flow through the tracks and the state. The pols and career bureaucrats will be coming out of the woodwork to "protect the public interest" like trained pigs.

Nothing worse for racing than slot machines. Instead of reducing the number of tracks and racing days, instead of spending money on improving track surfaces and jockey health care costs, instead of thinking mid and long-term, track owners are scrambling to run and build just for the sake of slot machine revenue. It's the wrong way to do business, but that's how the game is now played.
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