Timeform ratings

wac · #1 10-26-2018, 10:34 PM

I have read some stuff about subtracting 22-24 off of tomeform ratings for juvenile Europe horse what have u guys heard? What kind of reductions are u using or is it just -14 for all? Any help appreciated

jms62 · #2 10-27-2018, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wac

I have read some stuff about subtracting 22-24 off of tomeform ratings for juvenile Europe horse what have u guys heard? What kind of reductions are u using or is it just -14 for all? Any help appreciated

Aiden or Chad. You are on your own to determine which race.

Konk · #3 10-27-2018, 09:29 AM

Subtracting about 20 points from TF gets you a usable conversion to Beyers for all classes. Ben doing that for a long time with good success. Just use common sense - doing this doesn't mean you unload on a 3 point edge. I use 5 points as a margin of error,

Thunder Gulch · #4 10-30-2018, 08:31 PM

TimeformUS has them on the Euro ratings on the same scale now as their US figures. Very useful.

RHT2004 · #5 10-30-2018, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Aiden or Chad. You are on your own to determine which race.

Im not sure its that simple this year. In the filles race im 3 deep. Chad, Aiden and Lilys Candle. I feel like the juvy turf is not very strong overall. Im using 4 or 5 horses, still have some work to do on that race. As of now my top pick is Line of Duty.

taxicab · #6 10-30-2018, 10:47 PM

In the Juvy Filly Grassy:
Just Wonderful for AOB could be the one at a number.
First and foremost she needs good to firm ground to show her best......the CD grass could be softish Friday,and that would be a big problem.
Just Wonderful has a turn of foot that explodes in a heartbeat if she's on,when Ryan Moore says go....she's gone.
But Moore has to time her move correctly,once she gets to the front she'll slow down when she's clear.
The Coolmore ownership wanted to keep her in Europe after her last but trainer AOB talked them in to coming for this race instead.
Only three look capable in this race:
The Chad heavy.
Just Wonderful.
The very talented Summering for Glen Hill who took an uncomfortable,bottled up trip in her last...…..in a race where the winner returned to gallop last Saturday...….the outside draw will help Summering quite a bt Friday.

taxicab · #7 10-30-2018, 11:40 PM

In the 2yo Sprint on Friday:
Two Euro's appear best from that continent.
The 1.1 million dollar purchase Sergei Prokofeiv had no right winning his last,took a miserable "no chance in hell" trip......and won it like a star......scary good stuff.
You know how those Euro horses never have any early speed ?
Meet Soldier's Call...….she's blazing fast...….and keeps going.
Soldier's Call also just ran third(beaten a neck) @ Longchamp in a Group 1 against 15 older horses....much older.......quite impressive for a 2yo.
Nice class relief for her Friday.

blackthroatedwind · #8 10-31-2018, 07:32 AM

Sergei Prokofiev had a perfect trip to win his last.

philcski · #9 10-31-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by taxicab

In the 2yo Sprint on Friday:
Two Euro's appear best from that continent.
The 1.1 million dollar purchase Sergei Prokofeiv had no right winning his last,took a miserable "no chance in hell" trip......and won it like a star......scary good stuff.
You know how those Euro horses never have any early speed ?
Meet Soldier's Call...….she's blazing fast...….and keeps going.
Soldier's Call also just ran third(beaten a neck) @ Longchamp in a Group 1 against 15 older horses....much older.......quite impressive for a 2yo.
Nice class relief for her Friday.

I know a lot can happen in a 5.5 turf sprint for 2yo's...

but Soldier's Call is the real deal. That was a legit G1 field of older horses and really should have won.

RHT2004 · #10 10-31-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I know a lot can happen in a 5.5 turf sprint for 2yo's...

but Soldier's Call is the real deal. That was a legit G1 field of older horses and really should have won.

He's one of the 4 im using. Im keeping that race simple. Im against Pletcher, Cassee and all of the Ward horses. They can all take money and i want none of them.

blackthroatedwind · #11 10-31-2018, 08:25 PM

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I know a lot can happen in a 5.5 turf sprint for 2yo's...

but Soldier's Call is the real deal. That was a legit G1 field of older horses and really should have won.

No, the 5th horse should have won.

taxicab · #12 10-31-2018, 09:14 PM

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Sergei Prokofiev had a perfect trip to win his last.

I'll listen...….go ahead.
I do know there is one train of thought that there was a factor aiding Sergei.
But I don't think it applies to SP's race due to the course profile at the distance,and the way SP's trip played out.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #13 10-31-2018, 10:18 PM

we continue to blow up the euros as grass experts but we also have very talented grass sprinters right here,bulletin and shang shang both look good,I am going toss in moonlight romance,I think sergi is in trouble .