Taking nothing away from Summer, but QR ran huge

[MisterB]

When talking next year, but him in the mix too!!!!!!!! Fast track might make the difference, with the added races an no more set backs

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MisterB

When talking next year, but him in the mix too!!!!!!!! Fast track might make the difference, with the added races an no more set backs

He has down enough also. Perfect candidate for the breeding shed. Showed brilliance early. Breeders love this type big BSF and just enough Blk type to make him legit.

[cmorioles]

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

[TropicalStorm]

Quality Road could be tough in the BC Mile. I don't know synthetics well enough but european milers stretch out to 10f in the classic last year so maybe Quality Road could get the 10f.

I think Quality Road is like Rachel Alexandra. They can run past 9f but they really do not want to.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

I agree CJ... Not to mention the serious race-riding tactics Velasquez threw into the deal being inside and floating Summer Bird and Desormeaux well wide off the turn. And Summer Bird was not fully extended down the stretch at all.


As a PS.. I thought Quality ran very well and further distinguished himself as honest...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I agree CJ... Not to mention the serious race-riding tactics Velasquez threw into the deal being inside and floating Summer Bird and Desormeaux well wide off the turn. And Summer Bird was not fully extended down the stretch at all.

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

She is a three year old filly so she gets and deserves a pass. Next year she wont and I almost guarantee that Jackson will duck and dive all year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

Two weeks rest , pressed every step of way, new trainer, a race that she was never meant to run in, yet she overcame all the issues.. Not to mention its May and SHE is 3

[CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

I admire taking a stance but you are really opening yourself up for the grief you will receive when SB meets RA next yr, that is only if JJ can map out a campaign that will not avoid SB next yr. That may be more of a challenge than beating RA in itself.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by CSC

I admire taking a stance but you are really opening yourself up for the grief you will receive when SB meets RA next yr, that is only if JJ can map out a campaign that will not avoid SB next yr. That may be more of a challenge than beating RA in itself.

I really really like Summer Bird..I figure she will be racing and he wont anyway.. Redardless of Dr J's joy..

[Travis Stone]

I don't know... I think Quality Road ran a big race. Yeah, the pace was slow, but the surface is fishy with that much rain so it's hard to determine. Plus, Quality Road broke outside which costs him a bit of ground, plus he was rank. Sure, he floated Summer Bird out, but Quality Road was only one path inside him...

That said, what impressed me was how Summer Bird took the race to Quality Road with four furlongs to go and Quality Road did not give up until past mid-stretch. Still, Summer Bird did not blow him away late like you would expect, the margin was less than one length. Kent whipped 'Bird enough times down the stretch - I think he was all-in.

Plus, Summer Bird relishes both the off-track and longer distances, so for Quality Road to stay in it for that long to me is a pretty big effort especially considering 10f is not up his wheelhouse. Take nothing away from Summer Bird because he's a really cool horse who is fast and talented, but Quality Road's effort was strong too.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I don't know... I think Quality Road ran a big race. Yeah, the pace was slow, but the surface is fishy with that much rain so it's hard to determine. Plus, Quality Road broke outside which costs him a bit of ground, plus he was rank. Sure, he floated Summer Bird out, but Quality Road was only one path inside him...

That said, what impressed me was how Summer Bird took the race to Quality Road with four furlongs to go and Quality Road did not give up until past mid-stretch. Still, Summer Bird did not blow him away late like you would expect, the margin was less than one length. Kent whipped 'Bird enough times down the stretch - I think he was all-in.

Plus, Summer Bird relishes both the off-track and longer distances, so for Quality Road to stay in it for that long to me is a pretty big effort especially considering 10f is not up his wheelhouse. Take nothing away from Summer Bird because he's a really cool horse who is fast and talented, but Quality Road's effort was strong too.

QR ran a nice race but Summer Bird ran a nicer one in my opinion, he always looked like a winner going by when he wanted to, I think he had more to give if needed, the margin doesn't reflect the ease of the win, he was just idling when he hit the lead and I think the tap down the stretch was just a reminder tap by Kent. He certainly was not all out to win yesterday.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

i agree, it was another race where he gallops away. watch the last 50 yards or so. that race really is never close. summer bird is probably the best horse around right now, depending how he handles the poly track will be another question. he looked the part saturday in the post parade, he was clearly the best looking animal. he did not race until march and gets bigger and faster each time out. at 10 furlongs on the dirt, i don't see who can beat him. quality road seems to race better at shorter distances, so far 10 furlongs have not been his liking. i thought he could have the lead easily saturday and he did. but he had no fight at the end.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree, it was another race where he gallops away. watch the last 50 yards or so. that race really is never close. summer bird is probably the best horse around right now, depending how he handles the poly track will be another question. he looked the part saturday in the post parade, he was clearly the best looking animal. he did not race until march and gets bigger and faster each time out. at 10 furlongs on the dirt, i don't see who can beat him. quality road seems to race better at shorter distances, so far 10 furlongs have not been his liking. i thought he could have the lead easily saturday and he did. but he had no fight at the end.

I see no reason to believe Rachel wouldn't have won that race when fit, especially with that pace scenario.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I see no reason to believe Rachel wouldn't have won that race when fit, especially with that pace scenario.

i'll make a prediction. she will never race 10 furlongs against the boys. if she does it will be the time she loses.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i'll make a prediction. she will never race 10 furlongs against the boys. if she does it will be the time she loses.

Good luck with that. Thanks for not answering the question.