Absolutely Horrendous DQ at belmont

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree with your last statement. There is no consistancy. The stewards, I think incorrectly, actually believe that when one horse bears out and the one outside drifts as well that they are both drifting. They foolishly don't understand that horses are herd animals and clearly the outside horse is drifting in response to the inside horse. I give credit to the rider of the 15 in the 6th, because he understood this, and smartly steered his horse to hold it's ground, and therefore recieived the contact that these stewards so desperately seem to need. Had he just allowed the other horse to carry his out without contact there would have been no DQ ( much like the 3rd race ).

However, since I strongly believe the horse in the third should have come down, I also believe the 6th winner was justly Dq'd. And, I did not bet either race.

Ok We just differ on both races. I think both should have stayed and after hearing my friends rant about the third race and watching it I told him I felt it was a non call because the other horse was getting away from the place horse anyway.
But yeah I hear you on the stewards. Its incredulous to me when I hear some nitwit watching a head on and saying "look, they both drifted out" as if the outside horse just coinincidentally started to drift after the other one did.
The lack of consistency is alarming and they seem to have different rules for different races and riders. They also let way too much go out of the gate, which is just plain wrong. Incidental gate contact is going to happen in just about every race but its become obvious that certain smart riders have come to realize that the stewards are gonna let gate contact go and come out and saw off the guys next to them, eliminating them from early pace contention. Since the same guys seem to do this in races, I highly doubt its just "one of those things".

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. I think I was the only person in the entire grandstand at Pimlico that day who was bitter about that takedown. I thought for sure they'd take down Wanderin Boy in the Special because he basically did the same thing, but they didn't.

Totally agree that if the riders were reversed, results would have been the same. Embarassing that happened in the premier race for fillies in the state of Maryland.

If you wanna see some real head scratchers just watch head on replays at NYRA tracks each day at start of the race. You have guys hanging hard left turns or even right ones(if the horses to the outside could be pace duelers) and taking horses right out of contention at the break.
Its obvious that the riders know that noone is going to do anything about it and are exploiting it. A few have perfected the tactic of "hunt and seek" targeting of other speed horses if they are on a speed horse as well. They come right over and take a horse out, noone ever says a thing, never.

Of course nothing will ever match the 1986 DQ of Allemeuse in the 2nd race on the Whitney Day where Lady's Secret beat the boys. I will never forget that one as long as I live, and may have angered the DQ Gods by cashing in on the huge exacta that the DQ triggered.
Does anyone here remember that dq?
It was one of the strangest days in racing history.
Day started out sunny and warm.
2nd race was the Allemeuse DQ.
About the 3rd or 4th race a horse named Royal Pennant won a sprint race when the rain had started to fall and it had gotten dark.
Later on in the slop a two year old named Cryptoclearance drew off by many lengths to break his maiden.
Lady's Secret beat the boys in the Whitney.

This all happened in one day up here in 1986. Does anyone else remember that day?

[PSH]

Oracle:

Don't remember that day, but interesting that Cryptoclearance excels as a sire on off tracks.....

I do recall being there years ago on Travers Day when it was dark, cold and i believe General Assembly? won the Travers in a very fast time by the length of the stretch... I could have used a winter coat that day...

Mike, any horses left at Saratoga training or are they all long gone? Is it true that the track stays open until about November???

Take care,

Paul

[The Bid]

The DQ of Nicoles Dream down at Mountaineer a few weeks ago was pretty bad, if not downright horrible. I think the DQ at Belmont today was tough, not as bad as Nicoles Dream, but bad enough

Originally Posted by PSH

Oracle:

Don't remember that day, but interesting that Cryptoclearance excels as a sire on off tracks.....

I do recall being there years ago on Travers Day when it was dark, cold and i believe General Assembly? won the Travers in a very fast time by the length of the stretch... I could have used a winter coat that day...

Mike, any horses left at Saratoga training or are they all long gone? Is it true that the track stays open until about November???

Take care,

Paul

Paul good to hear from you. Many, many horses are still here and it will be open until November.
Trainers love having their horses in the calm surroundings up here and working on the super Oklahoma track.
The help loves it as well and actually complain about having to go wherever they go afterwards(and many go to Florida to Palm Meadows).
Its a small place as you know. The help(asst trainers, foreman, exercise riders) are able to rent rooms for 6 months up here for 6 months at reasonable prices and live in decent conditions.
The grooms are able to get around on bicycles and not have to pay for taxis or the subway or buses.
It will get you an extra half hours sleep each morning as well because everyone lives so close to the track and doesnt have a far commute.
They hang primarily at the Parting Glass which has a horsey set the entire 6 months that they are here.
One asst trainer of a major barn I often run into at Aqueduct in the winter. He will greet me with hello, and then say 10 weeks, or 9 weeks. By this he means until he gets to go back to Saratoga.

[PSH]

It must be really peaceful up there when the meet is not running and the horses are still training at the Oklahoma track. Mornings are so special at Saratoga.

I would be there almost every day if i could...

Enjoy...

Also spoke to CFM this week to tell him we are on schedule sending the City Zip 2YO filly to him mid October. She was put back in training on Labor Day and is progressing nicely. Thanks again for all of your help...

Take care,

Paul

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Now I've seen everything. You just have to see the replay of the belmont 6th and look at why Ny's stewards are the worst in the country.
ticky tack mutual contact where neither rider ever stopped riding his mount and they take the horse down after a startlingly short inquiry.
These guys are the absolute worst.

Does the name ALLEMUSE ring a bell.

Originally Posted by PSH

It must be really peaceful up there when the meet is not running and the horses are still training at the Oklahoma track. Mornings are so special at Saratoga.

I would be there almost every day if i could...

Enjoy...

Also spoke to CFM this week to tell him we are on schedule sending the City Zip 2YO filly to him mid October. She was put back in training on Labor Day and is progressing nicely. Thanks again for all of your help...

Take care,

Paul

You are quite welcome and I am sure that with a little "gentle prodding" that he will manage her quite properly and have you making bank deposits this winter.
It is peaceful but they have banned all spectators at the Oklahoma track in the morning for works. You can get in with a trainer or owner but without a badge of your own you are screwed. So basically your options are to not go or to call a friend who trains and meet him at the gate at 5:00 Am when its still dark and cold. Needless to say I really miss going there for works, lol.

[PSH]

feel free to prod. manage just like Lansdon horses not Flying Zee....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

Oh no doubt, reverse riders and no change would have been made. It would be a cold day in hell before Dominguez comes down on a non-incident like that at Pimlico.

[The Bid]

Arroyo is one of the most aggressive, dangerous, and careless riders in the game. At any point in his races, unless hes on the front end, you can make a case for him to come down.

[Gander]

The fact is that Jimmy The K carried Speedjama out much more than the horse in the 6th ever did.

[Siena 16]

The Smart and Pretty Dq caused me to have Angina for a month. Norberto Arroyo's reputation didn't help us. The bad Karma from that Dq stayed with me for a month. This is the toughest thing you can do in life. And believe me I'm talking from experience

[post2post]

i never bet arroyo..even if i like the horse...i skip the race..some cappers don't believe in this strategy....but their are some jocky's like smith that just don't have the ice in their veins to be out there. jmho

[The Bid]

Mike smith cannot come out of his home if the sun is out. He is scared of his own shadow