Joel Rosario

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dala, this isn't one of your better efforts. But, you've really lost it with this statement: But yet Champs needed a perfect trip to beat a horse that hadnt won in two years???????????

That makes a TON of sense. Of course, nothing new there...

Yes, he did. Did you see the race yesterday? You yourself said you think going outside probably cost Obrigado 3 lengths. He was beat about a half.

I'd stick to bridgejumping discussions up here....just a thought.

What i said was that it is not possible to quantify how important the continuity of momentum was worth and that it wasnt possible to tell what would have happened if he stayed inside. If judged merely on lost ground, I would say around three lengths.

Despite your weak cheap shots, you fail to address either issue. But then again, nothing new there...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. That's why I suggested sticking to bridgejumping. If that's a cheap shot, well I'm guilty I guess. The attempt to play the victim role is a new one for you. Not as effective as your other role I think.

Victim? LOL.

What makes your opinion anymore valid than mine or anyone else's in this matter?

Is it your years of experience as a jockey?

Your experience as a trainer?

Your personal website with millions of hits showing all of the people that value the opinion of Dahoss9698 when it comes to all things horses?


You are just a bettor/racing fan like the rest of us so please spare me the "you dont know what you are talking about" bit because you are in no position one way or the other to judge it.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I wasn't aware as a bettor i needed years of experience as a jockey or trainer in order to have an opinion on race watching. My mistake. When did you ride? How many winners did you have as trainer? What's your personal website with all of the hits?

And since you're under the delusion that all opinions carry equal weight, should we have a poll? Who's opinion people here would rather bet their money on, mine or yours?

What if Dala was Frankie Dettori?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

What if Dala was Frankie Dettori?

Than I'd be scared of Philski's opinion saying shes hot...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Than I'd be scared of Philski's opinion saying shes hot...

How did i get dragged into this???

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I wasn't aware as a bettor i needed years of experience as a jockey or trainer in order to have an opinion on race watching. My mistake. When did you ride? How many winners did you have as trainer? What's your personal website with all of the hits?

And since you're under the delusion that all opinions carry equal weight, should we have a poll? Who's opinion people here would rather bet their money on, mine or yours?

all I have to do is check out Dala's opinion of Donavan McNabb to know who I'd choose

I bet she thinks McNabb beat the Giants all by himself yesterday.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I really think you need to go bug Drysdale about this inside /outside situation. A young rider given an instruction to give the horse a clear path outside in a Grade 1 is probably gunna follow it. If he was gunna consider ignoring the instructions, then I think that thought may have been gone when Smullen made that rushed move to cut Rosario off into the 1st turn. You said he panicked, and went outside. All signs appear he didn't make the decision then. He had already planned to go outside. He won 5 Saturday. Then, he won a 300k race in Puerto Rico yesterday. The fact he got even close to winning this race is because he somehow got this horse to calm down on the backstretch. He won 5, and I think he would of won 6 if he had the horse. That's just my opinion of that Grade 1 Saturday. He has a clear shot outside of horses, and can't get it done when C.E. could. I mean you ignore the fact he has no answer for the move C.E. makes in the stretch. Joel gets an inferior horse to make up ground on a horse who no longer has a target. I want to see someone else do as well now with this horse in a Grade 1, because, in a Grade 1, this jock did not have much horse to start with. Hey, I am gunna tell you honestly that I am not a huge believer in this guy on chalk yet. So, it's not like(to me) he can do no wrong, but really you're taking issue with somebody who is doing a lot with horses that are not the best animals in these races.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I really think you need to go bug Drysdale about this inside /outside situation. A young rider given an instruction to give the horse a clear path outside in a Grade 1 is probably gunna follow it. If he was gunna consider ignoring the instructions, then I think that thought may have been gone when Smullen made that rushed move to cut Rosario off into the 1st turn. You said he panicked, and went outside. All signs appear he didn't make the decision then. He had already planned to go outside. He won 5 Saturday. Then, he won a 300k race in Puerto Rico yesterday. The fact he got even close to winning this race is because he somehow got this horse to calm down on the backstretch. He won 5, and I think he would of won 6 if he had the horse. That's just my opinion of that Grade 1 Saturday. He has a clear shot outside of horses, and can't get it done when C.E. could. I mean you ignore the fact he has no answer for the move C.E. makes in the stretch. Joel gets an inferior horse to make up ground on a horse who no longer has a target. I want to see someone else do as well now with this horse in a Grade 1, because, in a Grade 1, this jock did not have much horse to start with. Hey, I am gunna tell you honestly that I am not a huge believer in this guy on chalk yet. So, it's not like(to me) he can do no wrong, but really you're taking issue with somebody who is doing a lot with horses that are not the best animals in these races.

good point, good post. perhaps instead of getting grief for not winning, the jock deserves kudos for getting a long shot to finish second.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I really think you should start taking your medication more regularly. What is so hard for you guys to understand? I mean really. All I have been trying to say is I thought his decision to come off the inside and go OUTside of Winchester was a poor one and cost him the race. Who cares how many he won on Saturday? What does that have to do with anything?

I already said i thought he rode a great race up to the point of the decision. To think he didn't have the horse is to ignore the fact the horse took off again in stretch and almost caught Champs. I'm not taking any issue with his overall riding, he's a fine rider. Just one decision that cost him the race IMO? Why is that so hard to understand?

And because his opinion is different he needs medication? LOL

Just because you have 12,500 posts it doesnt make your opinion any more valid.

Perhaps you can challenge scuds as well to an opinion validity contest.

Or perhaps you can take a deep breathe and realize that it really doesnt matter.

But, back to racing, its not like Champs was life and death in the stretch.

[geeker2]

Dala one more post from you here and I am going to take back the Very Impressive rating I gave you

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I wasn't aware as a bettor i needed years of experience as a jockey or trainer in order to have an opinion on race watching. My mistake. When did you ride? How many winners did you have as trainer? What's your personal website with all of the hits?

And since you're under the delusion that all opinions carry equal weight, should we have a poll? Who's opinion people here would rather bet their money on, mine or yours?

LOL. If you are going to attempt to dismiss the validity of another poster's opinion you should probably have more juice. Does that make your opinion invalid? No, of course not. But it doesnt make it any more valid than mine or anyone else's.

The bottom line is that if its Steve or Andy or Chuck or Eric or someone else in a similar position telling me im wrong about my opinion on a race, i would be inclined to listen and accept that im probably wrong. Why would i do that with you? LOL

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Did Smooth Operator steal your login? What's with all the LOL's?

So let me see if I understand you correctly. If someone tells you you're opinion is wrong you don't agree, unless it's someone who you are okay with telling you you're wrong. Interesting line of thinking....

Just so we're all clear for any future arguements we might have, could you please list people with more juice than I have so I can consult them? Thanks in advance.

LOL You are going on about how much weight your opinion carries and I simply was explaining to you why your opinion doesnt carry much weight or rather enough weight to make me question my own formed opinion. You arent any racing insider or anything. You are just a fan/bettor just like me and anyone else-nothing more, nothing less. Someone like Chuck Simon, who actually gives riders instructions and makes his living in the game, carries enough weight with me on the subject of horse racing to know that he is probably always going to be right if we disagree on the subject.

Who are you that your opinion is so valuable and that I am wrong to disagree with you? What have you done in this sport that makes your opinion and thoughts more valid than mine? Please let me know. Maybe i have it all wrong and you really are in a position of knowledge that i never perceived in reading your posts. But if you arent, spare me the bully tactics because it will do you no good.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have to say, getting you to play the victim role might be my finest work on this site.

I award myself OOOOOOOOOO

You are short about OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O's



It's amazing how such a simple concept of ground saving can cause people to become so confused.

I am going to sleep better tonight knowing people like Dalahkani bet into the wagering pools.