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Old 06-30-2008, 06:12 PM
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One of the few interesting older horses. . .
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:29 PM
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damn.
He showed a true turf horse could dominate the California main track. By 2009 the Breeders Cup Classic should be mostly good turf horses if the trainers are less than 2 years behind the times.


Running on the Oaklawn main dirt track was such a horrendously bad decision for the horse probably most likely to win the BC Classic at that time, but I don't see anything definitive that even suggests that choice was related to his suspensory injury.

hopefully he recovers soon and has a comfortable time in his next career
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:36 PM
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[quote=Bobby Fischer]damn.
He showed a true turf horse could dominate the California main track. By 2009 the Breeders Cup Classic should be mostly good turf horses if the trainers are less than 2 years behind the times.


Running on the Oaklawn main dirt track was such a horrendously bad decision for the horse probably most likely to win the BC Classic at that time, but I don't see anything definitive that even suggests that choice was related to his suspensory injury.


i dont think it was a bad decision at all, it more then likely had nothing to do with the injury...and i think it proved that he is just a very very good horse on either surface and the only horse in the country who could compete with Curlin
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:25 PM
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That is horrible news!
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Question, Hasn't he been running on synthetic tracks now for the past year and aren't they supposed to protect horses from injuries like this? Or does the surface have nothing to do with it?
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Question, Hasn't he been running on synthetic tracks now for the past year and aren't they supposed to protect horses from injuries like this? Or does the surface have nothing to do with it?
What AW tracks are supposed to do is reduce the number of catastrophic injuries, those that cost the horse its life. Broken bones in the ankles and legs, for the most part. Heatseeker has a 'soft tissue injury', a tendon injury. Some trainers think that Poly in particular makes this sort of injury more likely.
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Huh? He was most likely to win the BC Classic in April? Who cares about stuff like that. I fail to see how it was a bad decision.
hoss, is the blond your mother ?
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:45 PM
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Seriously?
yea
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:46 PM
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yea
OMFG, we have hit rock bottom!
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OMFG, we have hit rock bottom!
OMG WHAT ?
i dont know who that is
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:48 PM
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Come on Joe, you are kidding right? If that isn't bad enough, you ask the guy if it's mother. Holy $hit!
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I wish
who is it ?
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who is it ?
I think she's the cousin of Randy Moss.

And I mean the wide reciever and not the ESPN analyst.

Either that or she's Hossy's mom.
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I think she's the cousin of Randy Moss.

And I mean the wide reciever and not the ESPN analyst.

Either that or she's Hossy's mom.
this is not funny anymore, im drawing a blank on who she is, and it appears everyone else knows... can someone please help me out here.
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I wish
hossy, tell your mom i said hi.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:42 PM
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Huh? He was most likely to win the BC Classic in April? Who cares about stuff like that. I fail to see how it was a bad decision.
Actually, wouldn't it have been a good decision back in April, seeing how there was still a big chance that Santa Anita was going to reinstall its dirt surface for the Oak Tree meet (and thus the BC)?

This thread should be called "Banning for Bobby Fischer"...
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:07 PM
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a)Huh? b)He was most likely to win the BC Classic in April? c)Who cares about stuff like that. d)I fail to see how it was a bad decision.
a)what? b)yes. c)me/some owners/some trainers. d)Fair enough

the way I see it, you have Heatseeker who is particularly suited to the synthetic courses.
He is probably the best in the division at that point of the season. Early or not. Not only was the horse given the miracle of having main-track stakes and their purses races run over synthetic courses in California, he gets the Breeders Cup there as well. To add to the miracle, he is well bred for the synthetics and absolutely loves it, while some of his top "name" competition are better on dirt.

The whole season for a horse like that is at least in my opinion, carefully campaigned around coming into the Breeders Cup in top form, hopefully knocking out a few stakes on the way.

If things go well he is 1st or second in the BC Classic and a contender for HOY. -Even relatively lightly raced, and even if he skips the Del Mar main track in favor of a turf prep, or coming in off a layoff.

shipping him to Oaklawn, to grind it out on a speed favoring dirt track is foolish in that situation. Again IMO.


That is my perspective DaHoss.

You are entitled to your perspective, and your opinion.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:24 PM
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Your generalizations and assumptions are too much.

First, prove that Oaklawn is speed favoring. Second, as his retirement shows, in this day and age if you have a horse ready to run, you run. You never know when something will go wrong, so obviously the horse was doing well and he ran well. And, while connections do plan out a campaign, the plan changes a lot. It just seems baseless to make a claim that the trip to Oaklawn was a bad idea, considering your whole arguement is based on assumptions that YOU are making.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
as long as YOUR eye sees a beautiful thing, more power to you.

we can't agree on everything right? or people would start calling us twins.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:28 PM
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Second, as his retirement shows, in this day and age if you have a horse ready to run, you run. You never know when something will go wrong, so obviously the horse was doing well and he ran well.
Getting back to his retirement and to whoever posed the question about synthetics failing to do their "job" and protect from injuries, and I thank that JC98DegreeBoyBand for derailing this thread completely with that painfully fake "Who's Maggi Moss" crap, how long before we get a quote from The Dorf blaming Bejarano for the injury with that :57+ 5f breeze last week?
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