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Originally Posted by Danzig

our allies and enemies haven't changed a whit. and with obama's drone attacks, he certainly has taken things even further than bush did in that regard. and as for withdrawing from iraq, i'm glad we did that. it was planned before he took office, so that wasn't a change of plan on his part-it was a continuation. his style is different, the policies remain the same.
did you notice the democratic party reaffirming israel being our ally, and them going on record about jerusalem being their capital. that hasn't even been part of our official policy. another step further. saying we are 'resetting' relations with russia is a far cry from actually doing so, and at least the current admin didn't say something as ridiculously stupid as bush did when he said he 'saw in putins eyes' that he was a good guy. now, that's a stroke of naivete if i ever saw one.
we haven't fought to win in afganistan since entering that stupid war. remember, the one war expanding to two, with much of the focus being placed on iraq, where we should never have gone? and had we not gone there, you wouldn't be having the bs with iran that you have-which is exactly why bush one didn't push into iraq back with the first gulf war. and had we not invaded iraq, the focus would have remained solely on afganistan from the start. we went in with guns blazing, completely ignoring history in afganistan, and the fact that a 'war' on terror isn't exactly going to be conventionally fought...and knowing the track records for countries invading that wasteland, it would turn out a waste anyway.
and you're right, nothing has changed. which was my point. we're still involved in the morass bush started in afganistan. we're still seeing problems that came from us going into iraq. meanwhile, everything else is pretty much status quo, except maybe with egypt-and that's probably balanced by libya.


and it's not obama's 'story' that the film was the cause of the attacks. it's the cause of the protests. the attack was pre-planned, and took place when they felt an opportune moment came.
and i guess you've ignored all the people in those countries who are standing up for us, and are ashamed of what's occurred? but then, if you did, it wouldn't help your whole 'obama sucks' argument.

How can you just not laugh at these ****ing idiots and basically ignore their entire argument. How can you be for continuing these unjust wars and for entering new ones and also be against the spiraling debt? They are for the cause yet against the effect. In their mind they get to blame in either case. In reality they just look like the ****ing idiots that they are. Call them on it and they will completely spin in a different directions like cutting the size of the government which is needed but won't even come close to covering the cost of the existing and new wars. Their circular argument is more like a circle jerk with the same result, getting them off on blamin Obama for either of the results. I was going to write in Ron Paul as his views align with my own. After reading all this **** being spewed here I am now voting for Obama to cancel out a vote for Romney.