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					Originally Posted by Calzone Lord  Raw final time has nothing to do with how fast a horse runs. 
 If it did -- $10,000 dirt claimers at Turf Paradise would be better horses than top Grade 1 males at Saratoga.
 
 Raw final time is a laughably worthless indicator of anything because any race track can be made extremely fast or extremely slow, by any track super, on any given day.
 
 A variant will find how fast or slow the track was VS par.
 
 The brilliant Tizway won the 2011 Whitney over Flat Out in 1:52.43.  Quality Road won the Woodward at Saratoga in 1:50.00  -- Curlin won it in 1:49.34 and Premium Tap won it 1:50.65 before running a close 3rd to Invasor and Bernardini in the BC Classic.
 
 Tri Jet went 1:47 flat in the '74 Whitney going 9fs at Saratoga -- and he stumbled at the start and won with a last gasp lunge in a close finish.
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 If Groupie Doll didn't run Saturday would the beyer number for the derby have been higher?