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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
This has been happening for years and years without the ACA (paying more and more and more in premiums as well as co pays and deductables). I suppose you could argue the ACA will increase payments even more, but I think it's moot, it's already been happening pre-passage. And the bolded part is laughable...that ain't ever gonna happen again (there's them jobs to be created and all...can't ever raise them again!!). In essence it's simply what America is right now...choose evil or evil. That's what a national election is and that is what is the ACA or pre-ACA is. The high comedy of all this is that we have an economic neo-liberal right wing ultra-conservative president right now, and we have to try to out-conservative him in the republican primaries...it is extreme hilarity of the highest order. Right now Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan would be way, way too liberal to win a democratic primary. That is where we stand. Obama has taken what the Bush admin has done to the infinite order to where a sitting president has the right to execute any American they wish with no repurcussion whatsoever. None. Obama cut his deals with the health insurance companies and pharmacutical companies long before he was even elected. Single payer was not an option and never was and never will be, that this plan is defined by the "other side" as socialism is beyond laughable. People still can't understand that the two political parties are in complete synch with each other and 100 percent in collusion, it is all a complete act the "gridlock", there is no disagreement about anything....look at the votes on the military spending bills and NDAA, they go about 90-10 in Senate. They make up stuff for the reality television type entertainment as the contraception fight....really, and the fight over this health care reform which is nothing really, the system stays as is and has been forever. It's a pretty straight forward conservative solution, insurance mandates, from the 90s. So what one side wanted is now "socialism", and at the time what the other side wouldn't do now unanimously votes for it. That we have 24 hour news channels covering it just makes it simply circus clown stuff. Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and whomever else has a big time stake in maintaining this fake "left and right" supreme divide as denoted by the "R and D" tribal gatherings. That does not exist at all any more and hasn't for quite some time. Some are starting to figure it out, but it will take a long, long time and by then it will likely be too late. We're suckers of the highest order.
Look at the NDAA votes. Look at the number of Goldman-Sachs stooges on Obama's staff, look at the military decisions of Obama, and compare them to Bush. There is zero divide people....zero. None. It's simply a game show. A president Santorum or President Romney, or President Bush, or President Clinton or President Obama. Same as it ever was.
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can't argue with any of that. luckily here in arkansas you don't have to register with any party-i'm not registered as belonging to any of them, nor as an independent. neither party is a good one in total. both have some good ideas, both have a lot of bad ideas. they all work for one thing only, keeping their seats. and yes, on ndaa etc, dems have tried to portray themselves as being for liberties, as being against things like the patriot act. they saw the patriot act and then raised!
and back to what i said earlier about obama and the individual mandate:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Oba...3/29/id/434199
'The Supreme Court seems poised to declare Obamacare unconstitutional, based partly on an argument that President Barack Obama used to attack former Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s healthcare plan in 2008, according to Daily Mail Washington correspondent Toby Harnden.'