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Originally Posted by Riot

Whinging away isn't a very good debate strategy. Once more:

I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

Now: if you want to debate that we are better off now than the "big countries", which I explained I meant as being "first world countries", as measured by "first world parameters", go head. Post your data and argument.

If you want to argue that the current GOP is not the following, as I explained, and is not intent upon taking us back to the 1800's as a country, go ahead: anti-women, anti-gay, anti-citizens of color, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-Medicare, anti-Social Security, anti-religious freedom for others, anti-environmental protection, anti-science, anti-labor, anti-worker, anti-help for poor or elderly, anti-current laws enabling freedom for others they don't like.

Research, data, proof and arguments are all pointless against faith. Faith is what you have and it cannot be deterred or proven false, never could, never will. You believe things to be true and therefore they are, there is no proving the alternative (even in theoretical) you are no different than Santorum, just the agenda and the deity.