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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
GR: Of course liberals aren't going to bring up Lincoln, because that would legitimize Bushs' course, as it would provide a Presidential Precedent! None of this infringes on Americas' Rights....as it is defined by 'enemy combatant'. As I said, I haven't finished my research on 'habeus corpus' and what this bill details.
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Timm, "Presidential" Presidents (whatever that means) screw up, too. And Lincoln screwed up when he suspended habeus corpus. Just as FDR screwed up when he authorized internment camps (and I love FDR. But that was a stupid, wrong decision).
Timm, if you were to be picked up off the street and jailed as an enemy combatant, under the new laws, how on earth are you going to convince anyone that they are wrong; that you are a US citizen, seeing as how you won't be given access to any sort of legal counsel, or even told the charges against you? Under the current laws, it's entirely within the bounds of possibility that American citizens could be "accidentally" jailed for years and years without any access to any sort of legal recourse.
You think that won't happen? Look at how we liberals get called terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, traitors, etc., etc. anytime we suggest Bush isn't the direct voice of Jesus. Which I find so interesting, seeing as how the major homegrown terrorists in the US have all been right-wingers and religious zealots. McVeigh, the Atlanta bomber, Waco-- the things these men stand for fall squarely in the "right-wing" category.
And the scandals that have truly hurt the nations long-term economic health have been waged by Republican captialists-- the savings and loan scandal, Enron, WorldCom. And don't get me started on Iran contra. And yet liberals, liberals, are the ones hurting our nation?
You think, with the Republicans current election slogan of "Vote for the Democrats and die" that the nuts in charge won't see fit to "accidentally" jail people who disagree with them, keeping them locked up for years without access to counsel or charges brought against them? Wake up!
It's up to you Republicans to reclaim your party, but when you regard your party as a sports team, like Repent does (what's up with that "winner" and "loser" stuff?) Go back to the sports page, Repent.
you all seem willing to merrily ignore what your party has become and can convince yourself that a hummer in the Lincoln bedroom is more important than going to war, WAR, on maniupulated intelligence. Wha?
Whew. Okay. Rant over. Not, of course, directed at anyone here, 'cause I likes you all.
