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Originally Posted by todko
That's a distorted list. Some horses never had a chance . . . Dr. Fager for one. And the final chapter on some horses has yet to be written . . . Conquistador Cielo is an example.
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There are nearly 70 horses on my list ...
... you cite two ... neither of whom remotely established a male line or had a sizable string of graded stakes winners. They were failures as stallions.
The only name on my original list that I would withdraw is Ack Ack ... whose male line still exists ... albeit by a thread.
I'm defining success by racing performance of their offspring ... and the establishment of a male line. Financial success doesn't count ... because most of that occurs immediaitely on syndication ... and disappears when the kids can't run.