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Originally Posted by Danzig
he's not very liberal. it's why some of his fellow democrats are very unhappy with him. he's too liberal for any real conservative, but anyone who isn't to the right is 'too liberal' for them. if he was very liberal, then he would have already done away with don't ask, don't tell. he wouldnt' be asking for a spending freeze in most depts, while leaving defense alone.
this is why i shake my head when people start tossing out labels. generally, they are incorrect. just because obama is a democrat, doesn't mean he's liberal. the two don't necessarily go together. many credit clinton with the successes he had because he ruled from the center, which is where most people reside.
another example-the south generally has dems in local offices and congress-yet they generally vote republican in the national elections. kerry didn't win down here, and certainly neither did obama. folks here are pro-union (democrats lean that way) but they are for gun rights, and are generally anti-abortion and are religious. certainly aren't your 'typical' democrats. a democrat in massachusetts doesn't resemble one from california, and neither resemble one from here. it's why the two parties have such difficulty appealing to everyone-their agendas don't match everyone everywhere. yet they always expect their dems or reps to strictly vote party line-which engenders distrust and voting the opposite party in when they get angry-such as in mass. truly, independents rule these days-they aren't beholden to either party and don't vote just because 'well, i'm a dem, and he/she's a dem, so there's my vote'. i've voted for more democrats over the years than republicans, yet those on the left (such as scuds) accuse me of being a rep, while those on the far right say i'm too liberal. 'they' both get angry because i'm not on either ones side.-but don't realize that's true for many.
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Obama is a liberal. The idea that he isnt a liberal or acting as a "real" liberal is promoted because the far left is stomping thier feet. But he is a politician before he is a liberal and even he realizes that a lot of stuff that the radicals want simply will kill his reelection (not that what he has done isnt already doing it) chances. Not to mention that despite the coronation he is not a King and cant just wave his magic wand and make things happen or go away. The beauty of our system of government is the checks and balances that dont allow one man agenda's to be imposed. But seriously he is pro union, pro taxes, pro climate change, pro healthcare reform, anti business, pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro big govt, antiwar(despite his actions on the wars which he correctly knows he has to do), pro ACLU...I mean what anti liberal stance has he ever taken outside of the troop surge that he tried to appease liberals by announcing the date of the withdrawl before retracting it. As far as the economic stuff he is clueless about what to do and obviously just goes along with what his guys want.