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Originally Posted by docicu3
Disclosure bias prior to comment.....had the 6 for a tidy sum.
I thought the idea was to identify and reverse outcomes that were influenced by a foul. Did not the 8 make contact with the 6, albeit not the hardest contact, causing the 6 to lose ground as a challenge to the lead was occurring. The 6 loses some fraction of a length as a consequence of the contact and is coming again at the wire to lose by a nose which implies the ground lost cost the horse the placing.
I think sometimes we see horses collide that are obvious fouls but the placing is upheld because the offender was going to win regardless of the foul and that is seen as inconsistent because an obvious foul goes unpunished but the idea is to figure out whether the foul cost the horse a placing. I agree it's a very tough call to decide how much a foul cost a horse but this one had to cost at least a head making the take down reasonable.
If I am interpreting the spirit of the rules wrongly please explain....
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I think the issue is that they "assume" that without the contact the 6 would have won. You really can't assume anything in this game. It is also wrong to assume that when a horse goes on to win by open lengths that he should stay up, even with the slightest of contact, since we don't truly know what effect it had on his impeded rival. Add into the mix the "herding" contingent and the bottom line is that is way to much subjective judgements being allowed to alter the placings and truly effect the bettor. The only thing the stewards accomplished yesterday was allowing the favorite to take home a check for 10K and then come back at 2/5 in 3 weeks to score at this level again, earning his 30K. Meanwhile the money it cost the bettors in the Win Pool, Double Pool, Exacta Pool, Triple Pool, Super Pool, Pick 3 Pool, Pick 4 Pool, Pick 6 Pool probably threatens 100K, and they can't get that back.
And that might have just about been the lamest DQ I have ever seen. The contact the 8 made with the 6 wouldn't have knocked me off stride.