[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You'd be wrong in some cases ... because those type of trainers tend to do so much statistical damage in those 5 or 6 year runs before everyone figures out how good they are.

And when everyone starts to radically overbet the horses on paper - they still won't lose at a strong enough rate to give back what they won before bettors caught on.

Trainers with more than 1,500 starters and a profitable ROI since '96

Jeff Mullins 4,717 starts $2.01 ROI
Lloyd Mason 4,498 starts $2.01 ROI
Tim Kreiser 3,134 starts $2.04 ROI
Steph Beattie 2,790 starts $2.02 ROI
Larry Jones 2,765 starts $2.02 ROI
Jimmy Jerkens 2,454 starts $2.01 ROI
Julio Cartagena 2,291 starts $2.02 ROI
Ramon Preciado 2,010 starts $2.07 ROI
Mike Maker 1,985 starts $2.00 ROI
Bruce Alexander 1,953 starts $2.04 ROI
Andrew Leggio Jr. 1,928 starts $2.06 ROI
John Shirreffs 1,641 starts $2.04 ROI

I think certainly Cartagena, Steph Beattie, Preciado, and Mullins are the four names on that list who get a lot of slander heaped at them.

To get a better idea of how much some of these trainers get overbet on name alone.

Steph Beattie ran 311 horses in her boyfriends name (David Wells) - the horses that raced in his unfamilar name yielded a $2.83 ROI. So, the horses win at just a 1% profit on the betting dollar when they race in Steph's name - but yield a 41.5% profit on every dollar bet when they race in a name the betting public isn't familar with.

Julio Cartagena - another Mid-Atlantic high percentage pure magic claiming trainer. Only a 1% profit when they race in his name. 486 times he raced under the less familar name Keisy Cartagena ... the ROI spiked to $2.49 from $2.02

proof that Steph Beattie doesn't cheat, it's her boyfriend that does