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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I don't know what he's doing... but he's got an edge. As a trainer, you don't produce a profitable ROI over a 14 year span without an edge.
He's a guy that consistantly would get horses to win there debut by 10 lengths with triple digit figures when he had 505.
Now he's totally opposite - but still an awesome horse trainer.
We really are to a point though where trainers with poor stats never have a top horse. That's why I was such a rabid fan of Rachel Alexandra back when Hal Wiggins trained her. Look at his stats ... they are bad!! You damn sure know that guy is 100% clean.
I would be an RA Super Fan if she stayed with Wiggins and did the same thing she did with Asmussen. It's possible she might have ... who knows. Her final start with Wiggins was amazing.
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I think a really high winning percentage is much more indicative of a trainer having an edge than a high ROI. We all know who some of the trainers with an edge are. Most of them have really high win percenatges, but not necessarily high ROIs.
From what I know of Shireffs, he is the last guy in the world that I would suspect of having an edge. He is one of the most honest trainers out there. Not only that, he has always used the most conservative veterinarians. The cheating trainers use the agressive and cheating vets, not the conservative vets.