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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I don't think people should die because they can't afford health insurance.

People are denied health insurance all the time because greedy private companies won't insure someone with a pre-existing condition.

So if that someone dies because she couldn't get insurance in time and therefore could not afford quick treatment, that's not our problem right? As long as we keep that extra few dollars? Better someone else than me?

What if that someone with a pre existing condition had emergency surgery one day. Let's say it was for an appendix surgery, but she can't pay it off because the bill was in the $10,000s. All health insurance companies denied her previously and she had a crummy job that didn't pay much. Is that fair?

Are we to care more about saving money than a human life?

Should there even be public schools? Why not just make all of them private while we are at it. Did YOU go to a public school or college?

Should the government control our water supply? Why not make that private as well

Why have public protection? Think of all the money we could save with private police officers nationwide! I'm sure they'll have our best interests at heart if that were to happen.

Why have fire fighters? When cities are burning down because of wild brush fires, think of all the money we could save if private fire fighters did the job instead!

You really are a true democrat, don't let facts get in your way. First, why can't we consider the cost of what Obama is proposing? Here are some facts, 90% of Americans have health insurance. Of the 10% that do not have health insurance, 5% of those can afford to have health insurance and choose not to. That leaves 5% of Americans uninsured and our great President wants to spend over a trillion dollars with his proposal to insure those people. By the way, a large part of that 5% that are uninsured are young healthy individuals who are not in the workforce long enough to get healthcare. The point is that his proposals are unrealistic, too expensive and will be costly, and the costs will be passed onto the taxpayers.

What happened to Obama's transparency? He stated that he would release his proposals on his website for all to see, yet now he tries to shove it through Congress for no one to see, then tries to place much of the cost under other bills to claim that it costs less than it really does, and vastly underestimates the actual costs of his bill. He obviously thinks that people are stupid, but Americans are waking up in droves and a majority are now against his proposals.

The notion that people with life threatening conditions don't get healthcare is a fallacy. Emergency rooms cannot turn down treatment to people with life threatening conditions. Most public areas have a State or county run hospital which provides free services to those who are uninsured.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need reform, but many of us are against socializing medicine and don't believe the costs justify do so. Socializing healthcare will cost Americans one way or another in either increased premiums or increased taxes, and those taxes will fall on the middle class that Obama promised not to tax. Many of us do not believe that taxing and spending in this economy is a good move, but that is what the democrats want to do. Herbert Hoover tried this solution and look where it got this country.


As has already been pointed out, the States or local municipal governments, through our taxes, which we are already paying and are fine with, provide education, police, firefighters and even free medical care!

Oh yeah, those greedy insurance companies. Just another democratic lie. The actual facts are that they average approximately 2%, well below other industries. And those profits did not balloon during the Bush years as Obama/Pelosi would have you believe. Here is a link to the true facts:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess we should socialize that greedy railroad industry, after all they are making a 12.6% profit a year! How about network and communications, those greedy bastards are making a 20.4% profit!

Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.