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Originally Posted by King Glorious
They may have run some winning races, especially Trempolino but the fact is still that none of them have won. I think that if not for the draining efforts it took to win the Arc, perhaps some of them would have won over here despite the excuses. I could be wrong but until I see an Arc winner then come over to win the Turf, I'll believe there's something to this. I think it's similar to why only three horses have won the JCGC and the Classic in the same year, only three have won the Beldame and the Distaff, only one has doubled in the Vosburgh and Sprint. In recent years, the QE II winner either hasn't been sent over or has been sent over for the Turf or the Classic but it was a regular thing during the first 15 years of the BC to send them over for the Mile and they never won one. Meanwhile, races like the Goodwood, Super Derby, and Spinster were enjoying tremendous success as final preps. I believe it has a lot to do with those being easier races to win because the competition is not at tough and you don't have to run as hard and it leaves you more in the tank. Races like the fall championship races in NY, the Arc, and the QE II are major target races in their own rights and the efforts it takes to win them often leave the winners a little empty come BC day.
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The Vosburgh was until very recently run over the distance of 7f. The difference between 7f and 6f is pretty significant. Since its been run at 6f, Taste of Paradise was bothered in the stretch in the BC or might have got the double.
Several Queen Elizabeth II runners-up have taken the Mile.
For the Euros in general, I think the shipping/acclimation process is the more significant limiting factor here, not some mythologized "all out" effort needed to win the Arc or the Queen Elizabeth II.
In addition, I think the Arc winners that have come over haven't been the best of the bunch really. IIRC, Saumarez and Subotica were upset winners and wasn't there much talk of Bago's best trip being shorter than 12f despite the Arc win?