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Originally Posted by postpicker
With Beyer figs being a so called measurement, does this mean Rock and Roll's 121 makes him one of then greatest horses of all time?
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Only to a complete and utter moron.
Rock and Roll's 121 came with an uncontested early lead - over a sloppy speed favoring Belmont Park race track. He won by 14 lengths under just 112lbs in track record time. Getting 8.5 furlongs in 1:39 2/5ths.
Simply, that number only means that when Rock and Roll is allowed to loaf on an uncontested early lead under 112lbs over a sloppy speed favoring track - he's capable of beating a lot of outstanding horses. Assuming those outstanding horses don't have the speed to press him - or have jockeys who give R&R a free pass on the lead.
The horse who ran 2nd to him beaten 14 that day was 2nd by 5 to the very good Coronado's Quest less than a month later.
It really would take monumental stupidity to suggest that final time speed figures are not the best overall measurement when comparing horses from different time periods throughout the last 15 years or so.
To suggest that they aren't even a measurement at all is something you'd expect to hear from Sumitas when he's on PCP.