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Originally Posted by MaTH716
In my opinion not only should Victor be lumped in to the group, but he's the head turd. For some reason I always expect more from him and he constantly dissapoints me on a regular basis. I also have no problem with Flores and believe that you can find much bigger turds in that group than him.
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I see Victor being lumped into a group that is the second best option when you get past Gomez and Bejarano.
In that group currently also are Solis, Rosario, and T Baze.
Then there is a further drop off to a third level. The Smokin Joe Talamo's, just what he's smoking is anyone's guess, the Martin Pedroza's, Martin Garcia's, Micheal Baze's.
The turd section is somewhat interesting, to me it's reserved for substandard riders that are living off their past reputations but still get bet, Nakatani fits as does Flores and or perhaps Valdivia(though he is an underrated turf rider). These guys have the ability but for whatever reason they rarely deliver on a consistent basis.
I will always bet a horse if I like him or her first regardless of the rider, however if that consists of having a turd as part of the package then the thought process for me is the odds should be higher not lower. In the case of Nakatani or Flores the odds will most likely be lower which is why I would rather have someone else aboard, a no name.