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Originally Posted by Danzig2
so since hussein committed genocie 'a long time ago' that's ok?? and it wasn't that long ago, not that that matters. i'd image the family members of those killed feel like it was just yesterday, when it was after gulf one. really not so long ago after all.
and as i said, those that are not u.s. citizens should fall under the geneva convention, but not the constitution. after all, our citizens convicted in foreign countries are not under the us constitution, so foreign nationals have no argument that they should be here. also, the geneva convention is supposedly for prisoners of war...that is where the bush admin tries to get slippery, they call this a war, but don't want to call the people they are fighting soldiers, they want to call them terrorists. can't have it both ways.
absolutely our citizens should have constitutional rights!
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You're absolutely right, Danzig; the fact that it happened a long time ago doesn't make it okay-- my stepmom survived the Pol Pot genocide in Cambodia (her husband, the father of my stepbrothers, did not- he was Muslim, so he was executed. My stepmom was in a labor camp for four years until she fled the country) and while it was a quarter century ago, she still remembers.
That said-- Hussein was a madman, but a secular madman. Which infuriated the religious madmen in the middle East, and, since he was closer to them than we are, he took a fair amount of their focus, which is now longer devoted to him. The horrible part of the question is, did toppelling Hussein make us, here in the US, safer? And my feeling is no; if anything it destablized that region even further and the mess in Iraq is now fertile breeding ground for terrorists who see the US as occupiers. Maybe it will pan out in the future, but I think a different Administration will have to do the panning out-- this one underfunded and botched and didn't plan and frankly, I don't think they're capable of fixing what they started.
So was it worth it? I guess A) the final chapter is not written; time will tell and B) it depends on whether your concern is for people in the US only or people of the world, even at the US's expense. I don't know. I just don't know.
But I tell you what, I prefer my madmen secular. How do you argue with someone whose response is "But God said so."????