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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't think anyone is saying it moves him up for sure. But the fact that those two horses have gone on to win some very important races speaks well to the quality of horses that he's beaten. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that fact. While people can question the quality of competition that IWR was beating in NY, we can question how strong the Arkansas Derby was, we can question what was down in Louisiana....we can't question that Pioneer was beating some really good horses. Whether he will move up or down or stay the same is to be seen. But I don't think those subsequent performances by his vanquished foes hurts him at all and they would make anyone take a second look at him. I guarantee that if IWR and Papa Clem had come to the dirt and flopped, EVERYONE would be pointing to that and saying "see, you can't trust the form of those Cali horses on the junk." GUARANTEED.
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IWR is a good dirt horse-that doesn't mean anything one way or the other regarding his synthetic surface. you're assuming he's really good on synthetic, and that potn is a better horse because he's beaten revenge. but what if IWR is actually a
really bad syn horse?
and you can't trust their form on synthetics. you can use their pp's for future synthetic racing, but i would never use it to translate what i think they'd do on dirt.