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Originally Posted by oracle80
No, you don't know that, and its arrogant to think that you do.
Yes, Joel and I get in each others faces a lot on here. But like the other night when I saw a thread title and jumped on DaHoss(who I later apologized to) I didn't even note the author and leaped into a response.
I did the same thing here, whether you think so or not.
Pais, gander starts threads like this all the time, you can ask him, and I have been much rougher on him. And thats a guy I have known and been friends with for over 20 years. Don't have too many friends in this world that I have known longer than gander. But when he starts one of his negativity threads I'm the first one to jump up and down and scream thats stupid.
Joel then turned it personal by bashing a grade one winner I bought. Thats fine. When he is associated with a grade one winner, he will find that I won't bash the horse, regardless of what I think of him.
You, working with horses, ought to appreciate how tough it is for any horse to win a grade one. How many did you take care of, or feed, or brush, before you touched the great henny Hughes? My guess is one HELL of a lot of them.
Brother Derek is a grade one winner(duel) and showed a lot of talent and desire and speed earlier this year. he may not be as good as he was advertised or that the hype spouted about him deserved, he may now be past his prime already, but calling him a fraud off one layoff race that we don't know the details of is certainly foolish in my opinion.
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I didn't mean you and joel I meant steve's frustration....
I don't think it is appropriate to bash horses for any reason because they are never the one's responsible for the hype surrounding them (brother Derek) nor are they responsible when they running out of their ability level (ex. Funny Cide)--Yup I groomed a buch of nags in addition to Henny...
But I also don't really think it's useful to bash a trainer when his horse throws a bad race--pre-race comments are not always true, but on the other hand a horse can fool his trainer too and then the trainer is left with egg on his face...
Last week a very famous trainer said to me...'I don't understand it I've got all the favorites and can't win a f*cking race' Obviously that is not going to be printed in the DRF....