[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So the wintering in Dubai just happens to be a coincidence? And it just happens to be a coincidence that a lot of the horses come back worse off than when they went there?

No one answered me the first time, so I'll pose the question again. If a European trainer/owner was looking to win the Arc do you think shipping here to prep for it makes sense? Or would a campaign in Europe probably be the better plan of attack?

My argument has never been that going to Dubai for the winter is the best way of doing it. I've only debated those that say that it will never work. I don't see any reason why it can't. If I was presented with facts that said horses wintering over there end up worse off than their American counterparts, I'd listen. But just as easily as someone can point out how Ruler's Court was injured and never lived up to his promise, I can point out War Pass. Just as they can mention a Street Cry, I can mention a Java Gold. I just don't happen to agree that a lot of horses come back worse than they go. I think most of them weren't much in the first place so I didn't expect them to come back and be better. What I think is a bigger issue than WHERE they are trained is HOW they are trained. The Sheikhs have had an abundance of success in Europe. They still have success in Europe with horses they winter in Dubai. I feel like part of the problem is that they try to apply some of the same training principles to win American races as they do Europeans ones and that doesn't work out too well.