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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i'm not hard headed or hearted. but i think the idea a minimum wage helps the poor is flawed.
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I think if you use common sense you would see that what would happen is the exact opposite of what was described early in the thread. Working single mothers would lose jobs to teenagers that would work for much less(because they often have less expenses.)The end result of killing the minimum wage is that teenagers, who often are only looking for supplemental income to pay for cars, parties, etc. take work away from those who are trying to pay the rent or support a family. Face the facts, we have guys getting women pregnant, and moving on to the next woman that craves a badboy. Do you really want to skimp on the salary of the one person in charge of raising that child? Your only shot at avoiding a punk being raised lies with her. I think we can agree if she starts on welfare, then she'll probably have another kid. I also think part of a country's overall reputation around the world lies in how it's worst off live. People want to live here. They want to travel here. Sure, we could treat people like they did at the end of the 19th century(your "market" crap that doesn't work..it's been tried.) Most of the stuff that Conservatives or cheap Independent types want to do have been tried, and they caused poverty. We can do it again, and you'll get the same results. Believe it or not, these things came about as a solution to a problem. What you want to do is try something that has been proven to create poverty(market driven stuff.) That abuse of workers at the end of the 19th century etc. was exactly what you would like to do. Fortunately others don't want to create that poverty. You think you want just 2 classes, but I doubt you would find it as great as you think. Try Haiti etc.