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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Why are you making ridiculous statements and killing any credibility you might have had. This is worse than your LITF arguments that were just plain ridiculous.
Kent came to So Cal in 89. Did it take trainers 17 years and 10000 rides to figure out that he wasnt "that good"? LOL
There sure must be some dumb trainers out west if it took that long.
Bobby Frankel must be an idiot because he has ridden Kent first call for long stretches over the years.
Neil drysdale is another fool. He only rode Kent First call for about 10 years off and on. I think it was the 5000th ride for Drysdale where he figured out that Kent "wasnt that good". That was only after Kent rode his only derrby winner and had ridden a majority of his stake winners overr the last ten years. The fool!
Cassidy is even dumber! He rode his last year after all of the other trainers figured out that he wasnt that good.
All of the trainers in the east have to watch him a few more times. They dont have tvs in new york so they wouldnt know how "not that good" he really is.
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No, it didn't take 17 years. That first article that you posted was from 1995 and the article said that his business had already gone way down. That was 6 years after he arrived and his business had aleady gone way down. Aaaron Gryder's business was good in New York for more years than that.
You argument is absurd. Just because big trainers used him for a while that doesn't mean they all think he's a superstar. Every top trainer out there has a bunch of different guys that they use. There are some guys like Pletcher out there who only use one guy but the majority of trainers have used multiple guys over the years. As I said before, Bobby Frankel was riding Jon Court on his best horse. That hardly means that Frankel thinks that Court is the best rider out there.
There are some trainers that are more loyal to jockey agents than jockeys. They will use whatever jockey a certain agent has. In another words, some trainers are riding certain jocks simply because they are friends the jock's agents. If the agent and the jock split up, the trainer will stop using that jock.
If you think that a trainer riding a certain jockey proves that that trainer thinks that jockey is great, you are wrong. Don't get me wrong, they're probably not going to use a guy they think is terrible. But if they think that a jock is at least sufficient and they are either friends with the jock or his agent, that may be why they ride that jock. I remeber backin the 1980s, the trainer Loren Rettele was friendly with the agent Bill Barisoff and Retttele would always use whatever jock Barisoff had. When Barisoff would split with a jock and get a new jock, then Rettele would stop using the old jock and starte using the new one. Another reason a trainer may use a certain jock is because the jock is a hard worker and he works a lot of horses for them in the morning.
As I said, I will ask a few of the trainers and we will see what they say. If you turn out to be right l will admit it. I once had a debate with the poster Dunbar and I told him that I would check with some people to see who was right and I ended up coming back to the board and admitting to him that he was right. That's why I have credibility with many of the posters here. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.