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Originally Posted by miraja2
I don't dispute that at all, but I don't think that means my previous statement is untrue.
I haven't looked carefully at the numbers, but it seems like many claimed from him move up initially after the claim and typically fail. Then, as you say, they eventually have to drop again (often considerably) in order to find the winner's circle again. I wasn't saying that the horses move up after they are claimed from him and win. In fact it is - as you point out - quite the opposite, which is the point I was trying to make.
As for the point about horses being claimed from him and starting once or twice more and being then being laid off, that certainly does happen, but isn't that true of the low-level claiming game in general? Do you know if it happens more often with him than with other trainers?
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Don't really know. But I do know this...when a guy like Catalano or Ness claim a horse, it usually moves up in class and wins or runs a good 2nd in its next start. Also, their horses continue to race (and win) until someone claims it back from them.
So, not only do they find these horses that other trainers can't win with and turn them around to make them leaps and bounds better.....they also buck the trend of having low level claimers stop running due to soreness.