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Originally Posted by Split Rock
Absolutely untrue. I did the research. Most often, the horses that were claimed from Catalano had to drop down dramatically in order to win. Not to mention, many and I mean many, of the claims from this guy had 1 or 2 starts and were laid off. Many didn't come back at all.
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I don't dispute that at all, but I don't think that means my previous statement is untrue.
I haven't looked carefully at the numbers, but it seems like many claimed from him move up initially after the claim and typically fail. Then, as you say, they eventually have to drop again (often considerably) in order to find the winner's circle again. I wasn't saying that the horses move up after they are claimed from him and win. In fact it is - as you point out - quite the opposite, which is the point I was trying to make.
As for the point about horses being claimed from him and starting once or twice more and being then being laid off, that certainly does happen, but isn't that true of the low-level claiming game in general? Do you know if it happens more often with him than with other trainers?