But you do not know how many people have the same horses as you therefore you have no idea how the pool will be split up, therefore no idea about the reward. On a win bet you get a very close approximation, its right on the tote. Same with an exacta flashed up all the time. You can also even make some very good assumptions with place bets. I think win and place bets are vastly underplayed myself. They are a bore for many.

And again. When you play pik bets you are forced to play races in a sequence. You cannot compare this with going to the track and making 3 diff. win bets on races that are not in sequence. A bettor gets to choose exactly which races he sees an advantage in ex. the 2nd, 7th and 9th are the only 3 worth betting. You cannot compare that to well I think the rolling pick 3 at this track would be best suited by playing the 7th 8th and 9th. You cannot compare the examples given above. And if you do, it is invalid.

I have even more. I will stop. We have done this before in much longer discussions. I began this only as a way of helping people see what I see as multiple fallacies about these races. Just to trying and help. And I will again state I see a great deal of entertainment associated with these types of wagers. And entertainment is really what the game is about.