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One of the ironies of your comments Avery is that you stated how Penn State fans were postulating how we'd show them what real football is in the Big 10!! Nothing could be further from the truth I don't think. Maybe fans said that...( I never did...being a big 10 Fan for the most part growing up.) But the PSU administration joined in fact because of the "tougher" competition of the big 10. Again, it is debatable how "weak" the previous schedules of Penn State were playing before joining the big 10. But the facts are it was Penn State's supposed weak schedules that kept their undefeated 68, 69, and 73 teams from being national champions. (of course the '68 season was OSUs title playing in the brutal big 10 giving them the edge!) This problem was supposed to be curtailed by PSU entering the big 10. And the great irony is that in their 3rd big 10 season they indeed went undefeated playing "midwestern" football and yet still weren't voted national champions evidently because their schedule wasn't tough enough?? So the history of Penn State under Paterno is they played a weak eastern schedule pre-big 10 which wasn't good enough...so they join the big 10...go undefeated and the schedule wasn't good enough.

One of the oddities of being a Penn State guy...4 undefeated teams in the last 40 years not "good" enough to be champs. Yeah...we're bitter people!