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Originally Posted by GBBob
There's a difference between random torture for "funsies" and the need to get information to save thousands. Do you differentiate between the two at all?
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No,I don't rationalize in order to act like a dog.You can always come up with reasons to act badly.There is no end to that.We disagree about whether they are your property to do this with.You keep using a reward to justify an evil.Please step back to the earlier step and evaluate that before you get to this dessert you keep offering up.The 1st step is whether you believe they are ours to do this with.It's about whether they are our property to abuse,and I fundamentally disagree with those who believe that prisoners are our property to treat as we see fit.Now,once you have got past this step(and you agree that they are ours to do what we want with,)then go forward with this reward (to make it seem a good thing.)We are too quick to get to the prize,and we skip steps.The primary step is are they ours to do this with.To me,you need to say yes or no to that before you get to what good things you think torture will bring you.So,no,I can't get to this reward you speak of because I can't agree to ever treat them like we own them.To me,they are there to keep them away from the rest of society.They are not there for us to torture.I can't get to all these prizes you offer,because you are in the wrong(before you even offer the prize....you're wrong for treating a prisoner like they are a kids doll.)You can't make that right.