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Originally Posted by Danzig
there was a 'girl' who posted here some time ago who posted pics of 'herself'. so much for that.
as for the war for oil bs, i think that's an oversimplification. lots of places have oil, but very few also invaded an ally, moved their forces to possibly invade a second ally, and lobbed missiles at a third ally. iraq was a threat to our nations security, and to our allies security. the govt we elected decided to go back and finish things up- i have no problem with that at all. '91 wasn't finished. the u.n. showed that they were even more incompetent then most thought originally, saddam thumbed his nose at everything he agreed to for the original cease fire, and the previous, democratic admin was as belligerent toward iraq as the republican admin that followed. that whole drama took a decade to come to fruition.
as to how your passive words are going to keep soldiers alive, i don't know. my son was a volunteer, who willingly joined. he knows what that entails. if his govt tells him to go, he does. and there will always be naysayers, just like with any other issue. there's always more than one side.
i'm all for protection of civil rights, as i've stated elsewhere. repeatedly.
that's my point, there are more issues than just the war, which has taken a decided turn for the better.
as for mccain saying we may be there 100 years, we may be. just like we've been in japan for the last 60, as well as germany.
i just don't like it when i see someone give more benefit of the doubt to ANYONE elsewhere, but not to their own country. i don't follow blindly, but nor do i feel that our president, our congress, is full of monstrous beings who lie, cheat and steal no matter the cause.
ineptitude, sure. mistakes, no doubt. but don't be extreme about it. i personally don't care for extremes. there's no room for discussion, no room to wiggle.
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No, PP posted a whole thread full of pics about me. I saw it. I saw what everyone wrote. Another board member asked Steve to remove the thread. I didn't really care if it was removed or not, but it was pretty mean.
Even if McCain wouldn't have said those crazy things, I still wouldn't have voted for him because he is an idiot when it comes to economics.
Whoa, I never said our Congress was full of monstrous beings. Another false accusation.
I also never said that I was giving the other countries the benefit of the doubt before our own country.
Haha.... I'm not going to extremes. You are. I wiggle. I said that certain parts of the Japanese Parliament's accusations could be true. I didn't say whether or not they were true. You said there is no way. I said that the U.S. could possibly be torturing people based on the reports. I did not say whether these things were true or not because I do not know, but the possibility exists. You are exactly the opposite. You are not wiggling. You think that they couldn't possibly be true.
The Bush Administration lied. We went to war under false pretenses for oil as specified in the Bush Administration's foreign policy. It's there for all to see. This has nothing to do with another country saying this and that. This has to do with what the government within our own country says in a foreign policy document called PNAC. All you have to do is read it, and then maybe you will open your eyes and wiggle a little bit. I seriously doubt it though even with the proof being right there in front of you. What is so extreme about the truth?
Yep, they are sure doing a fine job of "finishing things up". How many lives have been loss? How long have we been over there now? I don't know exactly, but I do know that it has been a long time.
Getting the word out might get the soldiers out faster because those wanting to get into office typically go with what the voters want because it gives them a better chance of being elected. Right now, the view of the Iraq war is very unfavorable throughout the country. If the Dems get into office, I think you see a withdrawal of the soldiers. Then, we will not have finished anything.
By the way, the polls have been all over the news about the unfavorable view of our government. Also the polls about opinions on the Iraq war are on the news. I'm sure that you can find them anywhere. I don't feel like looking them up.