Originally Posted by citycat

Generally speaking I do find this website board very informative and fun to read; however, sometimes it can be one of the most venomous boards also.

I do not know Murray Johnson but to call someone "a pretty bad trainer, numbers dont lie" is harsh. His lifetime stats: 1878: 238-248-232 (38%hitting the board does not sound too bad to me). If you compare those lifetime "numbers" to this websites most beloved trainer they are very much the same but I doubt you would call him a "pretty bad" trainer.

To say its your opinion that a trainer is not very good is one thing but to try to back it up with "numbers dont lie" can be a double-edged sword.