[GenuineRisk]

[quote=Bababooyee]I am against the intentional destruction of life.

You're still dodging the question. Fertility clinics intentionally create thousands of fertilized embryos that the people in charge KNOW, KNOW will never become babies. Do you think fertility clinics are moral and do you support them, knowing that they are creating, as you believe, lives that are going to be destroyed? And not a few- thousands and thousands and thousands? Every single day? It's a yes or no question. Do you support them or don't you?

Of course doctors intentionally harm one person to save another- it happens every time someone donates a kidney. Next argument please.

I don't buy the, "who's to stop people moving onto blacks and infirm" argument. I know many conservatives who love the "slippery slope" argument (see Santorum and his "man on dog" theory) because it lets them live in their happy black-and-white world of extremes without having to address the mitigating crayola box of common sense. Welcome to the reality-based community, folks. Colorful here, isn't it?

B, you'll never convince me that a clump of 3-day-old cells is the same as a cystic fibrosis kid. And I suspect the average American is capable of telling the difference, too. But it's easy to convince me that diabetes, Parkinson's, cystic fibrosis and yes, women being forced to carry children they don't want to term causes enormous pain and suffering all over the world. And that's the rub and why we won't see eye-to-eye on this. And why donating unused embryos to medical research is not going to end up with cystic fibrosis kids being euthanized. Because it's not the same, any more than bestiality is the same as homosexuality.

Addressing Somer's earlier post about abortion- I don't know that there is anyone who is actually "pro-abortion" anymore than there is anyone who is actually "pro-amputation." But I think pro-choice folks understand that people are going to have sex. So, in a full-color crayola world, what do we do? Do we make comprehensive sex-ed available, and contraceptives available so that the number of unplanned pregnancies and keep abortion legal so that women who are raped or screw up or whose bodies turn on them can end the pregnancy without jeopardizing their lives or health? Or do we outlaw abortion and tell ourselves those women who get pregnant will carry those fetuses to term and magically find the economic means to bear the babies and to raise them? Because, of course, conservatives against abortion are also usually against welfare, universal health care, and contraceptive education and funding. Which position, really, in the end is truly more pro-life?