Well I dunno but if you think a guy who has trained 8 champs and is 2nd lifetime in Breeders Cup wins and who has won all those grade one races is an "underachiever" then I don't think that you and anyone else are going to share a whole lot of common ground on this topic. As far as I am concerned all of your credibility went straight out the window with that comment on one of the greatest who ever trained a horse being an underachiever. How many guys in histpry do you figure their are who have a better resume than Shug? Maybe like 10 guys(if that) in the history of the millions of guys who have tried their hand at this game?