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Originally Posted by oracle80
Agree with everything you said, including Joint Effort.
Tim what the public thought a horse would do has no place in a discussion about how a horse ran. And I think that where it makes no sense is when you will say that so and so is a rat after losing at short odds narrowly and that so and so ran huge in the same type of effort because of the odds. Would Barbaro's Derby have been more impressive if he was 20-1 or less impressive if he was 3-5? I think that a race is a race, and the odds have nothing to do with it whatsoever.
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You know Oracle--it cracks me up when I watch people handicap a race by first looking at the m'l odds or what the current odds are. Now, current odds are important to me in a race where there are some first time starters. But I usually handicap a race out of the DRF. Then I give the horses my own odds. Most of the time, I could care less what the betting public thinks.