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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
So, he's justified as the #1 horse of the 1900's because he ran fast times for his day, carried a lot of weight, won by big margins, and horseman thought he was special?
Roseben carried 150lbs on multiple occasions (12lbs more than Man O' War ever carried) and routinely gave between 50-to-60 lbs in weight to his opposition. Oh yeah, in a 20 length victory, he also ran 7 furlongs at Belmont Park, in 1:22 flat, breaking the North American record by almost three full seconds.
His track record stood at Belmont for 51 years, until Bold Ruler broke it in 1957
Roseben also won 52 races. Needless to say, he wasn't in the top 100.
The greatest spin master of all-time could never make a rational case that this horse (Man O' War) accomplished more than a Secretariat, or Spectacular Bid, or a Dr. Fager.
And in my own personal opinion, from a talent standpoint, he was also light-years behind those horses.
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all i know is, you're the first person i've ever seen call the original big red overrated...very novel! bloodhorse ranked him #1, as did many others...most everyone else has him top five when we get into lists on here--top ten is the lowest, usually if people throw in international rankings.
as for man o war vs secretariat, they both have similarities--man o war usually comes out on top due to secs five losses. but man o war was the secretariat of his day-and most old timers said secretariat was man o war re-incarnated. as for doc fager, he gets less respect due to the fact he is considered to have lacked stamina, which is something the other two clearly did NOT.
have you ever read a detailed bio, or maybe even the t'bred times legends book on man o war? i think you're selling him short. but that's your right i suppose. i just can't imagine that so many would still be so in awe of him if he was undeserving.