that is all good... but when you look at horses like ravel and no biz, they are 2 good races each away from being 5-1 or lower , and there is nothing at all to suggest they wont improve, and thats just 2 of the many on the list. if no biz wins out going up to the derby, which ALOT of ppl belive he will do , your looking at no better then 5-2, so how is there no value in 8-1
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