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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i will give a few examples of why i dont understand them, and why i think they are totally irrelavant in chosing a horse to wager on..
invasor goes 1 1/4 in 2:02 in the bcc and gets a 116 beyer
discreet cat goes 1 mile in 1:32.2 and gets a 116 beyer
now invasor time for that distance is solid, nothing special though
discreet cat sets a track record and is almost in hand the whole race ...
so how do they both get 116, how dosent discreet cat get something like a 125 beyer ? i just dont understand them.
strong contender in the dwyer last year goes 1 1/16 in 1:45.1 ... now that time does not even have to be considered good that can be considered a slow time he gets a huge beyer of 109, horses go that same distance in 1:42 and dont even get 100 beyer's
i know what track and what distance has something to do with it, but it just dosent make since to me and there are so many other examples i could give.
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Track speed varies from day to day and from track to track and often even changes during the day. On BC Day the BC Sprint was won in 1:08.80 and won by several lengths. On Cigar Mile Day a 6 furlong 2yo maiden race was won in 1:09.26 which means if you want to say both tracks were the same speed then that 2yo maiden coming off a 71 Beyer would have run second in the BC Sprint. Obviously we know that isn't the case which is why seperate track variants are used rather than raw times. Every other race on that card would lead you to the same ridiculous conclusion if you compared it to the BC races so it isn't like this is one isolated case. Beyer and his figure makers do an excellent job of establishing the track speed, the only thing they do that is questionable is split the variant when there isn't a compelling reason to do so. Sometimes they are right to do it and sometimes they are very wrong.