Originally Posted by Gander

Barbaro is not in here, nothing close to him is. I dont see the point of comparing how badly Rock Lobster got beat by Barbaro with how he shapes up in this spot. I think Lewis Michael is a better dirt horse. Showing Up is totally unknown on this surface and will be a very sort price versus his actual chance to win this. Stream Cat is also a closer, so why is this not held against him? Neither Kip De Ville or Go Between are significantly faster than Rock Lobster, the pace scenario and what kind of trip everybody gets will easily nullify any "advantage" you think they have over Lobster.

I think its a great spot to step out of the box on. I hope for those who bet Kip Deville, that he runs better than Love of Money did in the Stephen Foster. That was pretty awful.