Originally Posted by oracle80

You are indeed pretty stupid. I hit the Derby tri for two bucks using three horses on top(Barabro, AP Warrior, and SNS) keying Stepp 2nd and 3rd underneath. Now if you want to dispute that please fell free to ask about 13 people on here who called me or emailed me before the race or Lansdon, who I was with on Derby Day. If you would like we could make a nice little wager and I could fax you the IRS signings of the tickets.
And sorry, but very few owners are going to have as good an opinion on handicapping a race as about 15 people on here. Its an opinion, nothing more.
My "info" on here rarely if ever comes from a trainer, because like Blackthroat I don't like "trainer info". My info comes from a clocker who is the most respected private clocker in NY, and is known all over. he is there every morning in the dark and his opinion and tiimes are sought out by Zito, Frankel, Dutrow, Kimmel, and many others. He used to train, and trained grade one winners. Hes older now, and clocks. If Joe says he saw it, I take it as gospel. How would a trainer or owner know better than a good clocker? I mean a good clocker catches the fractions correctly and furthermore, one who used to train also pays attention to the way they are striding out and switching leads. Basically, owner and trainer info is useless, unless they asked the opinion of a good clocker.