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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Flower Alley improved a lot after Afleet Alex beat him a couple times. I don't think Afleet Alex would have beaten him in the Travers myself. He was a heavily raced horse that probably wasn't going to do much more developing. We'll never really know though.
I think when people rate a horse, they should base it on what the horse actually accomplished, not what he *might* have accomplished. Therefore, AA and SJ were just not great horses. Had SJ won the Belmont, sure, but he didn't. He Afleet Alex not lost to Giacomo and Closing Argument, sure.
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The debate over "greatness" is far different than someone else calling a horse "not so afleet" with an intent to denegrate. I agree with you on the "great" debate in general. But as stated earlier, Count Fleet is universally regarded as a great horse and he never set foot on the track after the Belmont. And the Triple Crown isn't an end all and be all for greatness as Omaha is generally considered the worst horse to ever win the Triple Crown and in Beyer's columns of today would likely be called "undeserving."