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Originally Posted by pgardn
1. Payback? You think W tried to payback Iraq by killing citizens that had nothing to do with 9/11 (not that anybody in Iraq did)? Unlike what many Republicans and yourself believe, I was told we went into Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction, not retribution for 9/11. As no weapons were found in the coming days after the invasion, the Al-Q excuses, get rid of a madman excuse became the primary reason for going in. But I never heard of any payback by body count.
2. I did not make the mess personally myself either. I repeat, I did not vote for George Bush (for rather selfish reasons concerning my father, rip, and cell research for Alzheimers). But DTS, you live in this country as I do. WE made the mess. Like it or not. It is OUR responsibility.
3. Yes. I believe there is the possibility of establishing some order in Baghdad as I stated before using the tactics stated before which could lead to some sort of interim government as I stated before. However I do not believe it is probable, as I stated before. But we as a nation cannot "pull out immediately" as we will have an assurred blood bath. As a citizen of this country, leaving without trying is as morally wrong as anything we have done so far. (Treatment of innocents by some of OUR soldiers, changing OUR reasons for going in after intervention, leaving OUR soldiers in harms way because of knowingly underestimating the number of troops we would need because the public could not stomach it).
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Pgardn,
You might be completely correct. I'll know more after Tues night's State of the Union. I doubt that the dems will show spine in response, however, plenty of good Americans are going to show up in DC on Sat. Maybe just to reaffirm their votes on Nov 7, 2006.
So...here are my responses:
1. The justification for the invasion has changed more often than I change underwear. Seems that the outcome will be decided by the Shia...al Sadr had something decisive to say today...doubt it gets US press. google BBC.
Revenge was certainly sold at the beginning of the debacle...see also: Dixie Chicks, Freedom Fries, "rag-head", 9-11 connects.
2. Reparations. Powell said, "We broke it, we own it." The reconstruction can only happen after some "stability is restored. Alas, it won't happen while our military remains in presence. Yes, we made a mess.
3. I might be way out by saying this, but Iran is the big winner here. The Saudis will have their say. Israel is as victim as the US is. Both countries don't come to the negotiations from a position of strength. We'll have to see how the Saudi's play their cards. They have their oil to play against Iran's and Iraq's...which the Iranians will gain control of.
Heck, there's always the nuke option...already floated by our guys.
These are dangerous times...and here the thread is about handgun control...
Go figure.