I won't bet a large amount on any turf horse at less than 2-1. I lost a good chunk of change on Kittens Joy at 7-10 when Better Talk Now beat him and I refuse to take a super short price on the turf. Too much luck involved. If you are going to make a large bet on a turf horse you need a decent return. Fact is I lost $2K on Sweetnorthernsaint in the derby and was originally going to bet $5K on Barbaro. I didn't listen to my friend and it cost me $30K. Worst feeling I have ever gotten from gambling.