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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Thank you for having logical and thoughtful responses.
The comment that got under my skin and the reason that I posted that first post was, "Now, let's put the real war criminals on trial." Comments like that just really make me heated.
I agree with your post on patriotism. All the points that you made were valid. Given what I just typed, I feel when someone thinks that the US government is the "real war criminal" instead of the terrorists (and I personally include Saddam under the group "terrorists"), that is not patriotic.
You can disagree with the govnt, be anti-war and anti-bush and be very patriotic, but when you side with the enemy, there is no patriotism in that.
Citizens should be proud of the Freedom and Freedom of Speech that is included in the us citizen package, but just remember, without the people risking/giving their lives in war, presently and in the past, we would not have these Freedom's that we take for granted. The only point I wanted to make throughout this whole debate is to support the people who protect you.
I guess I should not have even posted to begin because politics is a very hard thing to debate especially when two people have very different views. But Brian, you seem to be a very reasonable person to have a debate with.
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i could not agree more. Cindy Sheehan calling Iraqi insurgents who are maiming our soldiers "freedom fighters" is despicable.
i think that the comment that made you originally post is out of line, and you were well within your bounds to say something (although i think you chose a poor way to say it
). Not sure how many "off-topic" threads you read, but I would say to jump in any time you want. Many of us here have wildly different views, and we manage to keep a level of respect. Just off the top of my head, timmgirvan and Bababooyee and I have squared off in the most heated/at times angry discussions on abortion. We don't agree on anything on the topic. I got mad. I'm sure they got frustrated. Do any of us $hit-talk the others afterwards? Nope. We disagreed very badly over something that made us all a little agitated, yet I'm still waiting to hear if Bababooyee is moving to Michigan so we can hang out for handicapping and beers.
I think that by and large, we're all mature enough to handle those disagreements -- so by all means jump in anytime.
This has been a message from the Off-Topic room ambassador.
ps -- I'm really sad that you didn't even MENTION this, as I believe it was one of my very few, shining moments
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I would say that cherishing your rights as an American to question things your government does that you don't believe in is just as patriotic as putting an American flag magnet on your pickup before driving it over a Dixie Chicks CD.
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