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Originally Posted by somerfrost
That's a much better response! Well thought out and obviously the product of an insightful person...I disagree though! I don't like labels and that's all words such as "communism" and "socialism" are! Real socialist theory has never been given an opportunity anywhere...it's always been subverted by greedy men pretending to care about others but really looking to gain power and influence. Therein of course lies the rub, it requires a different philosophy to take hold BEFORE it could ever be successfully incorporated. Saying, "OK, now we are going to change society and redistribute wealth" without first instilling a belief that such action is not only just but necessary is doomed to absolute failure...that's what we've always seen, in the USSR, China, Cuba etc...lots of talk about "sharing and brotherhood" from folks merely interested in substituting one power structure for another and since those who wouldn't benefit materially are resistive, the institution of a tyranical state! Plato's concept of the Philosopher Kings would be valid IF everyone accepted the concept. If mankind is to survive, I believe eventual societal evolution into a world characterized by sharing and brotherhood is a must...I agree that won't happen anytime soon and it will never happen by "social planning" legislation either from the left or the right. Really, I can't argue the point much differently...for me, it's a product of my religious and philosophical point of view which is obviously a minority view...for now.
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i understand what you are saying, and i would submit this for your thoughtful consideration. if we all looked in the mirror, and admitted our weaknesses, and accepted our strengths and the responsibilities that go along with strength, and each individual took responsibility for him/herself, there would be little need for democracy/socialism/theocracy or whatever. things would get done much, much slower, if at all (big government is really the only way to get things done like major road works, distribution of electricity, and such), but people would be more relaxed and content, less inclined to step on each other or impose on one another. the problem is, as soon as one person defers responsibility, both weak and strong, (which is a huge liberal tenent, "lets start a government program") then it all starts to break down.