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					Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind  I'm not betting either one, and have zero confidence in Classic Empire, but he could EASILY be the favorite, and I think you can make a better case that he is value at 11:1 than your horse at 20:1. | 
	
 
You had zero confidence in tapwrit and mastery......they must not have heard about it I guess. But then you've been nowheresville since you spent all that time crowing about your positive ROI at Saratoga.